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PIN certificates & banks
KulaRaha
#11 Posted : Friday, January 22, 2010 11:39:21 AM
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Probably some directive from some Boer sitting in some office in Joburg...
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Capri
#12 Posted : Friday, January 22, 2010 11:41:33 AM
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Had tried opening an account with CFC before the merger and the Original PIN cert was one of their requirements. Told them I did not have it and they said only option was to go to KRA and get another one. Since could not see the rationale behind all that hassle just went to a different bank.
Intelligentsia
#13 Posted : Friday, January 22, 2010 12:18:19 PM
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Guys, this is actually a Central Bank requirement and ALL banks are supposed to be asking for it per CBK directives. So its not a CFC, Barclays, DTB or NIC peculiarity. Even if you bank isn't asking this sooner or later it will, as borne out by diff. wazuzu's experience above.It will catch up with Equity, too, if that's what they are doing.

It began as a CBK-KRA collabo to kamata tax cheats and who better to do that with KRA than CBK which regulates banks where the actual monies are held. And it made lots of sense for KRA to seek CBK's co-operation (since both work for the same govt). In time this extended to opening of a/cs as well.

Contrary to what many of u think, getting a PIN cert in areas from Nbi is a walk in the park. In Thika, for instance, you can have it in under 2 hrs.

On certification, so long as the original PIN cert has the KRA stamp and has some official's signature this should suffice.
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Friday, January 22, 2010 12:42:35 PM
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chaliwong wrote:
Could it be a Business Current account that you want to re-activate?


Not a business account.

Personal Savings Account. No loans. No credit cards. Just some (not even a large amount. Just above minimum balance) rainy day cash.
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VituVingiSana
#15 Posted : Friday, January 22, 2010 12:44:50 PM
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@intelligentsia:

The CFC Stanbic letter says CBK guidelines not requirement...

Anyway as @mukiha said, I will make the trip... lakini in all honesty... I wud rather just close the account.

I am thinking Equity simply for emergency coz wako everywhere!!!
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gk
#16 Posted : Friday, January 22, 2010 2:29:05 PM
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....methinks the idea behind PIN requiremnt is more of a KYC thing meant to curtail money laundering etc.

...but its not a must have to open an account i.e if you arent employed and/or income low.

wote
#17 Posted : Friday, January 22, 2010 2:40:35 PM
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Intellingentsia, CBK of Kenya has no regulation requiring account holders in our Banks to have a Pin Certificate.All they require is an ID?/passsport,letter of introduction from an account holder with such a bank/ your employer and two photos.
If its a business a/c then one requires MM and AA, certificate of incorporation, i/D of directors and two photos.
CFC will never be a government agent and should not be seen behaving as one.Its not their mandate to vet who pays taxes and who does not pay.Remember in SA financial systems are still Government controlled while the Kenyan one have been liberazed, rules that are in operation in SA should not be imposed in Kenya.
VVS just close the a/c and move on to some reasonable bank.
Remember this guys are asking people to submit documents for their investment bank, such documents include statements from your bank and employer to show source of income;surely since when did that become the business of a stockbrooker? soon their halls willbe empty.
Intelligentsia
#18 Posted : Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:23:37 AM
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@wote and vvs - just to clarify,it is not a stipulated requirement for CASA accounts (Current Accounts, Savings Accounts) but it is for borrowing customers. I have personally seen a CBK memo on this to one bank that had been excluding same and they were warned cash penalty would be imposed on the next set of quarterly returns if this info was again omitted. Also just look at the format of the top 50 borrowings (PR-5) and you will see the PIN column is a mandatory field.

VituVingiSana
#19 Posted : Monday, January 25, 2010 7:32:13 AM
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@Intelligentsia - As mentioned... mine is a Savings Account.

I have decided to close it. I will move to Equity or KCB since this is an account for use as a 'rainy day'... Stuck somewhere...

Chances are Equity or KCB will have a branch not CFC Stanbic.

Is there a 24hr Equity Branch in the Westlands area?
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