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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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tycho wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I'd say that some like @Hamburglar work for Trump inc.  having seen several companies' payroll, I'm tempted to agree with you.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. Which brings me to the question: If you were in your own company, would you accept 50k or less, sometimes near zero amounts for higher pay in say ten years?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. This is the salary of county ministers. Unfortunately most of them are not in those jobs on merit
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. Which brings me to the question: If you were in your own company, would you accept 50k or less, sometimes near zero amounts for higher pay in say ten years? Below has been shared by @tycho hereQuote: It’s similar elsewhere in the new American economy. Last week, the New York Times reported that fewer than half of Google workers are full-time employees. Most are temps and contractors receiving a fraction of the wages and benefits of full-time Googlers, with no job security.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/9/2009 Posts: 2,003
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2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it. Businesses need much more than talent.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. Which brings me to the question: If you were in your own company, would you accept 50k or less, sometimes near zero amounts for higher pay in say ten years? Absolutely. It's either that or you build someone else's company until the day they get rid of you or replace you. With those options, you'd rather hustle from the bottom once you've made a bit of capital from your salary. With 300k a month, you can be humble enough and live on 90k and invest the rest for your company. Better you even start a kiosk side-hustle and burn or succeed while learn one or two things about business. Business is hard and that's why it's profitable because not everybody can do it. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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radio wrote:2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it. Businesses need much more than talent. Yes, you need capital and connections but skills are key as I'm sure you already know what the market needs. You don't have to compete with your employer, I can tell you from experience it won't work. For example, I know of an editor from one of the leading TV stations, he has an editing company on the side that does editing for weddings and events, popular Videographers use him to do the editing and I can tell you he makes more than his job. He has now employed people to do the job while he works for easy money from his employer where he gets over 250k. But it's taken time to build. He also has a guy who edits music videos and that business is booming. Now, such a person will never be under the mercy of the employer... and that's where we should all aim at... Believe it or not, it opens doors for you, your employer could even subcontract you for a larger fee. Only the fear of losing our comfort zone keeps us down, that and of course trying to survive earning good money in jobs we're not qualified for. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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radio wrote:2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it. Businesses need much more than talent. What is this software they have developed? Some examples please.
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hardwood wrote:radio wrote:2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it. Businesses need much more than talent. What is this software they have developed? Some examples please. Very possible. I have hired developer in India in the past, I paid them $3500 for work that I knew took them less than 50hrs. You just need about 1 of such project in a month to make Ksh.300k.
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Rollout wrote:hardwood wrote:radio wrote:2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it. Businesses need much more than talent. What is this software they have developed? Some examples please. Very possible. I have hired developer in India in the past, I paid them $3500 for work that I knew took them less than 50hrs. You just need about 1 of such project in a month to make Ksh.300k. That income does not qualify to be called a salary.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,919
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Queen wrote:Rollout wrote:hardwood wrote:radio wrote:2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it. Businesses need much more than talent. What is this software they have developed? Some examples please. Very possible. I have hired developer in India in the past, I paid them $3500 for work that I knew took them less than 50hrs. You just need about 1 of such project in a month to make Ksh.300k. That income does not qualify to be called a salary. That is the way Consultants survive In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2018 Posts: 564 Location: Britain
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Angelica _ann wrote:Queen wrote:Rollout wrote:hardwood wrote:radio wrote:2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it. Businesses need much more than talent. What is this software they have developed? Some examples please. Very possible. I have hired developer in India in the past, I paid them $3500 for work that I knew took them less than 50hrs. You just need about 1 of such project in a month to make Ksh.300k. That income does not qualify to be called a salary. That is the way Consultants survive Consultants earn fees NOT salaries...
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Queen wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Queen wrote:Rollout wrote:hardwood wrote:radio wrote:2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it. Businesses need much more than talent. What is this software they have developed? Some examples please. Very possible. I have hired developer in India in the past, I paid them $3500 for work that I knew took them less than 50hrs. You just need about 1 of such project in a month to make Ksh.300k. That income does not qualify to be called a salary. That is the way Consultants survive Consultants earn fees NOT salaries... You people are being too technical, if one can maintain a cash flow that mimic salary, then its ok to treat it as salary/income in this discussion
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,919
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Rollout wrote:Queen wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Queen wrote:Rollout wrote:hardwood wrote:radio wrote:2012 wrote:2Czar wrote:Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ? I was wondering the same! If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit. I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it. Businesses need much more than talent. What is this software they have developed? Some examples please. Very possible. I have hired developer in India in the past, I paid them $3500 for work that I knew took them less than 50hrs. You just need about 1 of such project in a month to make Ksh.300k. That income does not qualify to be called a salary. That is the way Consultants survive Consultants earn fees NOT salaries... You people are being too technical, if one can maintain a cash flow that mimic salary, then its ok to treat it as salary/income in this discussion At end of the day what pay do you take home yawa - annually over time!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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Next question people here should be discussing is why did I go with Indian developers and not Kenyans?
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Rollout wrote:Next question people here should be discussing is why did I go with Indian developers and not Kenyans? You shouldn't. In future, go local, get in touch with me.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rollout wrote:Next question people here should be discussing is why did I go with Indian developers and not Kenyans? Yes please. Do share your reason(s).
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tycho wrote:Rollout wrote:Next question people here should be discussing is why did I go with Indian developers and not Kenyans? Yes please. Do share your reason(s). Kenyans are very difficult to deal with if you are not used to the style of doing business. Kenyans do not have a standard prices for a service. For instance, when you ask a Kenyan to price his/her services you either get the following answers. 1. How much do you want to pay for it? 2. What is your Budget? 3. Or they give you a ridiculously high price depending on whether they think you are local or foreign based If you are legitimate business person, you expect a fair price based on the estimated market price for the services; For someone who is not used to how business is done in Kenya asking questions 1 and 2 can be a deal breaker because the answer to question 1 and 2 should not matter or should not determined the price of a service. For question 3, people usually have an idea of estimated price. Indians will give you a standard price that is consistent to how services are price in India the price variation is small. In Kenya the price variation can be a much as 10X between one provider of service to the other. A lot of time providers of services initial prices is such that there is room for negotiation but if you don't know how business in Kenya is done the initial high prices is a turn off. Take for instance if you want to change a car tire, a Kenyan might price the cost of the service at ksh 5000, hoping the final price will be ksh 1000. If you are not used to doing business with Kenyans and you hear 5000 and you know the fair price for the services is between 1000 and 1500, you are not even going to try to negotiate. Give clients fair price and you won't need to negotiate too much. Clients will also feel comfortable that you know what you are doing and that you are a legitimate business person.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I really appreciate your assessment @rollout. I think that's one major issue I have with myself. I may have have great products, but just ask me about the price!
How I can ever get to calculate a fair and standard price is a puzzle as yet. But I need to roll my sleeves and bring my incompetence to an end.
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