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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,346 Location: Nairobi
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nairobby wrote:I think results are ok given Nairobi Serena is at 46% capacity but they do need to capitalise more on MICE. I would expect their years of experience to aid in this because the new entrants are really eating their cake Hard to do MICE when there is limited capacity of rooms and conference space. I want to see the detailed information but 2019 should be better given the Nairobi renovations will be complete in 3 months. I was at Serena Nairobi and the new layout is more "open" and spacious but I need to check out their new rooms. There is a lot more competition. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2008 Posts: 503
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VituVingiSana wrote:nairobby wrote:I think results are ok given Nairobi Serena is at 46% capacity but they do need to capitalise more on MICE. I would expect their years of experience to aid in this because the new entrants are really eating their cake Hard to do MICE when there is limited capacity of rooms and conference space. I want to see the detailed information but 2019 should be better given the Nairobi renovations will be complete in 3 months. I was at Serena Nairobi and the new layout is more "open" and spacious but I need to check out their new rooms. There is a lot more competition. ndugu @vvs, what exactly do you consider to be tpsea's MOAT?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,346 Location: Nairobi
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xxxxx wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:nairobby wrote:I think results are ok given Nairobi Serena is at 46% capacity but they do need to capitalise more on MICE. I would expect their years of experience to aid in this because the new entrants are really eating their cake Hard to do MICE when there is limited capacity of rooms and conference space. I want to see the detailed information but 2019 should be better given the Nairobi renovations will be complete in 3 months. I was at Serena Nairobi and the new layout is more "open" and spacious but I need to check out their new rooms. There is a lot more competition. ndugu @vvs, what exactly do you consider to be tpsea's MOAT? Luxury Branding within EAC with a circuit. No-one has as many lodges/hotels as Serena in the region. All that said, I want value too. I am not buying it today. I want to see their level and structure of Debt in the Annual Report. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/18/2019 Posts: 185 Location: kenya
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VituVingiSana wrote:nairobby wrote:I think results are ok given Nairobi Serena is at 46% capacity but they do need to capitalise more on MICE. I would expect their years of experience to aid in this because the new entrants are really eating their cake Hard to do MICE when there is limited capacity of rooms and conference space. I want to see the detailed information but 2019 should be better given the Nairobi renovations will be complete in 3 months. I was at Serena Nairobi and the new layout is more "open" and spacious but I need to check out their new rooms. There is a lot more competition. I agree with you on setting up another 3 star brand to tap into MICE. Could loyalty programs tied to credit cards also work? Like SPG/ Marriott in the states. Especially for corporates and business travellers given they have a nice network in EA.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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xxxxx wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:The results are not as strong as I would have liked but the improvements to Serena Nairobi are not complete. I expect better results for 2019 as more of Serena Nairobi becomes "usable" but the interest and depreciation on the improvements, will hit the results from 2019 onwards.
I will keep what I have but I need to wait and see. TPSEA needs to look at other locations within Nairobi and Mombasa/Coast to cater to different tastes.
Nairobi - Upper Hill, Karen, Westlands
Coast - CBD, Diani/Tiwi
Kisumu
A 3-star brand that offers business-friendly rates. It can use Serena's expertise. Or offer packages for MICE that allows the use of Serena's 5-star conference facilities with some staying at the 3-star residences. As the sage has said, "when a management with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a reputation for bad economics, it's the reputation of the business that remains intact". Tread carefully bro. A combination of debt and bad business economics is ultimately very destructive to shareholder wealth. Personally, I'm staying away from debt infested entities courtesy of armcement lessons.  This is something I have heavily thought about this company. Will evaluate my options in the next 2 years. The company has really struggled since the ebola days. But it's still kicking The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,804 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:xxxxx wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:nairobby wrote:I think results are ok given Nairobi Serena is at 46% capacity but they do need to capitalise more on MICE. I would expect their years of experience to aid in this because the new entrants are really eating their cake Hard to do MICE when there is limited capacity of rooms and conference space. I want to see the detailed information but 2019 should be better given the Nairobi renovations will be complete in 3 months. I was at Serena Nairobi and the new layout is more "open" and spacious but I need to check out their new rooms. There is a lot more competition. ndugu @vvs, what exactly do you consider to be tpsea's MOAT? Luxury Branding within EAC with a circuit. No-one has as many lodges/hotels as Serena in the region. Heritage Hotels owned by the President Kenyatta family after they purchased Alliance Group of Hotels from Late Matiba familyAll that said, I want value too. I am not buying it today. I want to see their level and structure of Debt in the Annual Report. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,346 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:xxxxx wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:nairobby wrote:I think results are ok given Nairobi Serena is at 46% capacity but they do need to capitalise more on MICE. I would expect their years of experience to aid in this because the new entrants are really eating their cake Hard to do MICE when there is limited capacity of rooms and conference space. I want to see the detailed information but 2019 should be better given the Nairobi renovations will be complete in 3 months. I was at Serena Nairobi and the new layout is more "open" and spacious but I need to check out their new rooms. There is a lot more competition. ndugu @vvs, what exactly do you consider to be tpsea's MOAT? Luxury Branding within EAC with a circuit. No-one has as many lodges/hotels as Serena in the region. Heritage Hotels owned by the President Kenyatta family after they purchased Alliance Group of Hotels from Late Matiba familyAll that said, I want value too. I am not buying it today. I want to see their level and structure of Debt in the Annual Report. How many does HH have in the region (EAC)? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:The results are not as strong as I would have liked but the improvements to Serena Nairobi are not complete. I expect better results for 2019 as more of Serena Nairobi becomes "usable" but the interest and depreciation on the improvements, will hit the results from 2019 onwards.
I will keep what I have but I need to wait and see. TPSEA needs to look at other locations within Nairobi and Mombasa/Coast to cater to different tastes.
Nairobi - Upper Hill, Karen, Westlands
Coast - CBD, Diani/Tiwi
Kisumu
A 3-star brand that offers business-friendly rates. It can use Serena's expertise. Or offer packages for MICE that allows the use of Serena's 5-star conference facilities with some staying at the 3-star residences. I wish you knew how many new and better offerings have arrived in the Kenyan hospitality scene. Serena was a colonial establishment and they appear stuck in time despite the renovations I understand you are not knowledgable in the history of most, if not all, of the listed firms in Kenya. Perhaps you should stick to KQ but even then you keep missing the mark. Lol.. Touched a nerve? 😁
KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,346 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:The results are not as strong as I would have liked but the improvements to Serena Nairobi are not complete. I expect better results for 2019 as more of Serena Nairobi becomes "usable" but the interest and depreciation on the improvements, will hit the results from 2019 onwards.
I will keep what I have but I need to wait and see. TPSEA needs to look at other locations within Nairobi and Mombasa/Coast to cater to different tastes.
Nairobi - Upper Hill, Karen, Westlands
Coast - CBD, Diani/Tiwi
Kisumu
A 3-star brand that offers business-friendly rates. It can use Serena's expertise. Or offer packages for MICE that allows the use of Serena's 5-star conference facilities with some staying at the 3-star residences. I wish you knew how many new and better offerings have arrived in the Kenyan hospitality scene. Serena was a colonial establishment and they appear stuck in time despite the renovations I understand you are not knowledgable in the history of most, if not all, of the listed firms in Kenya. Perhaps you should stick to KQ but even then you keep missing the mark. Lol.. Touched a nerve? 😁 You don't bother me at all. I actually felt sorry for you at one point but you love the pain!  You said "Serena was a colonial establishment" but If I am not mistaken, Serena was established post-1963. You play loose with facts. I am no mood to buy you a drink but I was impressed with the refurbishment. Of course, there is more competition. BTW, one share of TPS will pay a dividend that exceeds the entire profit KQ has made since 2012 Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:The results are not as strong as I would have liked but the improvements to Serena Nairobi are not complete. I expect better results for 2019 as more of Serena Nairobi becomes "usable" but the interest and depreciation on the improvements, will hit the results from 2019 onwards.
I will keep what I have but I need to wait and see. TPSEA needs to look at other locations within Nairobi and Mombasa/Coast to cater to different tastes.
Nairobi - Upper Hill, Karen, Westlands
Coast - CBD, Diani/Tiwi
Kisumu
A 3-star brand that offers business-friendly rates. It can use Serena's expertise. Or offer packages for MICE that allows the use of Serena's 5-star conference facilities with some staying at the 3-star residences. I wish you knew how many new and better offerings have arrived in the Kenyan hospitality scene. Serena was a colonial establishment and they appear stuck in time despite the renovations I understand you are not knowledgable in the history of most, if not all, of the listed firms in Kenya. Perhaps you should stick to KQ but even then you keep missing the mark. Lol.. Touched a nerve? 😁 You don't bother me at all. I actually felt sorry for you at one point but you love the pain! You said "Serena was a colonial establishment" but If I am not mistaken, Serena was established post-1963. You play loose with facts. I am no mood to buy you a drink but I was impressed with the refurbishment. Of course, there is more competition. BTW, one share of TPS will pay a dividend that exceeds the entire profit KQ has made since 2012 Used by the former colonial masters and home guards, not that its owned by them.. Even their current pricing is prohibitive at USD 302 per night for a standard room! I do know AKDN holds majority stake
KQ ABP 4.26
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