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Mukiri
#11 Posted : Monday, February 05, 2018 1:16:26 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
Spikes wrote:
[quote=MugundaMan]Source

[There's no mockery to Elliot Wave. Elliot Wave is for TA specifically for traders. But the story above talks about an investor who has held stocks for decades. FA is necessary ingredient for such long-term decisions.
Elliott Wave lives forevermore. Hats off to charts proponents!


Show me a TA adherent over the long term and I will show you poor man who keeps losing his shirt from market cycle to market cycle. TA is fairy dust. The only more disastrous thing than a TA adherent is one who daytrades! In fact I can bet my bottom shilling that if you get a six year old to use darts on the financial section of a newspaper to make stock picks that they buy and hold for 20 years, the kid would probably make more money over that period of time than all the TA adherents in Kenya combined.

Laughing out loudly I see the gang is also here raising a storm!

I think the calamity here, and the reason why Mr Chami's strategy can be discounted, is that most of us here, DON'T have 30 years!

That's unless you want to ride your lambo with a walking stick. Huko kwingine it works though, but not to the extent of obsession. If things are going south, TA says so, history says so, a correction is imminent, and one holds on because ... Foolhardy if you ask me.

Why all this compulsive obsession of fitting things in a box? Sometimes circumstances forces one to trade, sometimes to swing trade and sometimes to buy and sell same stock (I know you'd try arguing that isn't investing, yet one might end up with an even more number of shares of the same stock)

There's no one size fits all investment strategy.. Multiple roads may lead to success. Just not the obviously bad nyani, bandia paths like BITCOIN, MSC, HAFR, UCHUMI, OLYMPIA and others as known by Yasserbigchair list of stocks to sell

You forgot to add bad gorilla (KQ) bandia path

The story of KQ/BICOIN is being written and the authors know what's up and how the story will end.. Wapita njia waendelee kusoma kurasa bila kufahamu kilicho mbele

smile

Proverbs 19:21
obiero
#12 Posted : Monday, February 05, 2018 3:00:45 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,217
Location: nairobi
Mukiri wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
Spikes wrote:
[quote=MugundaMan]Source

[There's no mockery to Elliot Wave. Elliot Wave is for TA specifically for traders. But the story above talks about an investor who has held stocks for decades. FA is necessary ingredient for such long-term decisions.
Elliott Wave lives forevermore. Hats off to charts proponents!


Show me a TA adherent over the long term and I will show you poor man who keeps losing his shirt from market cycle to market cycle. TA is fairy dust. The only more disastrous thing than a TA adherent is one who daytrades! In fact I can bet my bottom shilling that if you get a six year old to use darts on the financial section of a newspaper to make stock picks that they buy and hold for 20 years, the kid would probably make more money over that period of time than all the TA adherents in Kenya combined.

Laughing out loudly I see the gang is also here raising a storm!

I think the calamity here, and the reason why Mr Chami's strategy can be discounted, is that most of us here, DON'T have 30 years!

That's unless you want to ride your lambo with a walking stick. Huko kwingine it works though, but not to the extent of obsession. If things are going south, TA says so, history says so, a correction is imminent, and one holds on because ... Foolhardy if you ask me.

Why all this compulsive obsession of fitting things in a box? Sometimes circumstances forces one to trade, sometimes to swing trade and sometimes to buy and sell same stock (I know you'd try arguing that isn't investing, yet one might end up with an even more number of shares of the same stock)

There's no one size fits all investment strategy.. Multiple roads may lead to success. Just not the obviously bad nyani, bandia paths like BITCOIN, MSC, HAFR, UCHUMI, OLYMPIA and others as known by Yasserbigchair list of stocks to sell

You forgot to add bad gorilla (KQ) bandia path

The story of KQ/BICOIN is being written and the authors know what's up and how the story will end.. Wapita njia waendelee kusoma kurasa bila kufahamu kilicho mbele

smile

@mukiri I see you 😁

KQ ABP 4.26
Cv254K
#13 Posted : Monday, February 05, 2018 10:41:47 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 9/2/2017
Posts: 31
MugundaMan wrote:
Source

Quote:


The simple moral of the story, time is your friend in the market. You don't have to be particularly bright or analytical if you are a long termer. Charlie Munger for example was not the sharpest tool in the shed but he latched on to Buffett's tail and waited 30 years and the rest is history. Makes a cruel mockery of the Elliot Wave crew Drool


I think some kind of analysis (FA, TA, corporate governance) can help you avoid the worst in NSE. Ama why is Chami insisting that you learn some accounting? But I saw an accountant advising us to borrow using cash as collateral to invest in risky business that needs the same capital as the collateral given to the bank. So, accounting could be overrated. Some guys in UK and US have found monkeys picking stocks using darts outperform the market in the long term.
You can choose the Monkey strategy. Go in blindly. Throw the darts. where they land, invest. smilesmile
MugundaMan
#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 06, 2018 5:09:17 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 1/8/2018
Posts: 2,212
Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
Cv254K wrote:

I think some kind of analysis (FA, TA, corporate governance) can help you avoid the worst in NSE. Ama why is Chami insisting that you learn some accounting? But I saw an accountant advising us to borrow using cash as collateral to invest in risky business that needs the same capital as the collateral given to the bank. So, accounting could be overrated. Some guys in UK and US have found monkeys picking stocks using darts outperform the market in the long term.
You can choose the Monkey strategy. Go in blindly. Throw the darts. where they land, invest. smilesmile



I know many might not want to hear this, but to be honest with you, in the final analysis, all stock market "investing" is essentially speculation.Drool

The genius of the financial industry in the "West" starting a little over 140 years or so ago, was how they managed to convince the masses that;

1) putting good money (earned through crazy sweat and toil) over which one has direct control..

2) into financial 'assets' over which one has zero control (other than FA, and - God forbid - TA!)..

3) on which one "hopes" to make a gain through capital appreciation rather than asset income...

is "investing."

When people started selling valuable migunda (plots), tangible cows, oxen, houses and farm produce over which they had direct control, to buy digits and numbers on some exchange, sold by ruthless, stock-watering financial killers like Commodore Vanderbilt and Jacob Astor, over which they had zero control, that's when the world of that era started to go mad.

It's sanity has not returned to this day, in fact said madness has reached all corners of the globe, and is getting worse by the day! Read; Bitcoin.

That's why the "investing" masses have continued to get sheared ever since -- (Great depression 1929-39, Dot com bust 2001, Global financial crisis 2007/8 (effects still ongoing) and many more in between). And that's also why they will always be outperformed by dart throwing monkeys!

Add a cartel economy like Kenya into the mix, where outright corporate fraud is the norm and entire brokerages used to collapse and vanish into the wind up until relatively recently. Why would anyone in their right mind risk a huge chunk of their entire goat in such a casino?

Bottom line, for the average Joe or Jill, it is not a very wise move to expose more than 2-3% (at most) of one's hard earned assets to the casino whether in Kenya or anywhere else on God's green earth IMHO. All things (stocks..and "investors" alike) are monkeys in said casino when all is said and done.

Shalom.
obiero
#15 Posted : Tuesday, February 06, 2018 7:18:55 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,217
Location: nairobi
MugundaMan wrote:
Cv254K wrote:

I think some kind of analysis (FA, TA, corporate governance) can help you avoid the worst in NSE. Ama why is Chami insisting that you learn some accounting? But I saw an accountant advising us to borrow using cash as collateral to invest in risky business that needs the same capital as the collateral given to the bank. So, accounting could be overrated. Some guys in UK and US have found monkeys picking stocks using darts outperform the market in the long term.
You can choose the Monkey strategy. Go in blindly. Throw the darts. where they land, invest. smilesmile



I know many might not want to hear this, but to be honest with you, in the final analysis, all stock market "investing" is essentially speculation.Drool

The genius of the financial industry in the "West" starting a little over 140 years or so ago, was how they managed to convince the masses that;

1) putting good money (earned through crazy sweat and toil) over which one has direct control..

2) into financial 'assets' over which one has zero control (other than FA, and - God forbid - TA!)..

3) on which one "hopes" to make a gain through capital appreciation rather than asset income...

is "investing."

When people started selling valuable migunda (plots), tangible cows, oxen, houses and farm produce over which they had direct control, to buy digits and numbers on some exchange, sold by ruthless, stock-watering financial killers like Commodore Vanderbilt and Jacob Astor, over which they had zero control, that's when the world of that era started to go mad.

It's sanity has not returned to this day, in fact said madness has reached all corners of the globe, and is getting worse by the day! Read; Bitcoin.

That's why the "investing" masses have continued to get sheared ever since -- (Great depression 1929-39, Dot com bust 2001, Global financial crisis 2007/8 (effects still ongoing) and many more in between). And that's also why they will always be outperformed by dart throwing monkeys!

Add a cartel economy like Kenya into the mix, where outright corporate fraud is the norm and entire brokerages used to collapse and vanish into the wind up until relatively recently. Why would anyone in their right mind risk a huge chunk of their entire goat in such a casino?

Bottom line, for the average Joe or Jill, it is not a very wise move to expose more than 2-3% (at most) of one's hard earned assets to the casino whether in Kenya or anywhere else on God's green earth IMHO. All things (stocks..and "investors" alike) are monkeys in said casino when all is said and done.

Shalom.

I need to meet you and shake your hands.. You have spoken the whole truth. That's why I have never invested in more than 12 listed firms at the NSE, USE, RSE since my entry in 2006 and these mainly have had significant/some government holding.. Things like SCOM, KENRE, KEGN, KCB, KQ, SBU, BOK, BRLW. Hizi vitu zingine kama HAFR, ADSS, KURW, FTG etc zinaweza sambaratika saa yeyote bila notisi. Stay woke!

KQ ABP 4.26
Cv254K
#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 06, 2018 12:22:15 PM
Rank: New-farer

Joined: 9/2/2017
Posts: 31
obiero wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
Cv254K wrote:

I think some kind of analysis (FA, TA, corporate governance) can help you avoid the worst in NSE. Ama why is Chami insisting that you learn some accounting? But I saw an accountant advising us to borrow using cash as collateral to invest in risky business that needs the same capital as the collateral given to the bank. So, accounting could be overrated. Some guys in UK and US have found monkeys picking stocks using darts outperform the market in the long term.
You can choose the Monkey strategy. Go in blindly. Throw the darts. where they land, invest. smilesmile



I know many might not want to hear this, but to be honest with you, in the final analysis, all stock market "investing" is essentially speculation.Drool

The genius of the financial industry in the "West" starting a little over 140 years or so ago, was how they managed to convince the masses that;

1) putting good money (earned through crazy sweat and toil) over which one has direct control..

2) into financial 'assets' over which one has zero control (other than FA, and - God forbid - TA!)..

3) on which one "hopes" to make a gain through capital appreciation rather than asset income...

is "investing."

When people started selling valuable migunda (plots), tangible cows, oxen, houses and farm produce over which they had direct control, to buy digits and numbers on some exchange, sold by ruthless, stock-watering financial killers like Commodore Vanderbilt and Jacob Astor, over which they had zero control, that's when the world of that era started to go mad.

It's sanity has not returned to this day, in fact said madness has reached all corners of the globe, and is getting worse by the day! Read; Bitcoin.

That's why the "investing" masses have continued to get sheared ever since -- (Great depression 1929-39, Dot com bust 2001, Global financial crisis 2007/8 (effects still ongoing) and many more in between). And that's also why they will always be outperformed by dart throwing monkeys!

Add a cartel economy like Kenya into the mix, where outright corporate fraud is the norm and entire brokerages used to collapse and vanish into the wind up until relatively recently. Why would anyone in their right mind risk a huge chunk of their entire goat in such a casino?

Bottom line, for the average Joe or Jill, it is not a very wise move to expose more than 2-3% (at most) of one's hard earned assets to the casino whether in Kenya or anywhere else on God's green earth IMHO. All things (stocks..and "investors" alike) are monkeys in said casino when all is said and done.

Shalom.

I need to meet you and shake your hands.. You have spoken the whole truth. That's why I have never invested in more than 12 listed firms at the NSE, USE, RSE since my entry in 2006 and these mainly have had significant/some government holding.. Things like SCOM, KENRE, KEGN, KCB, KQ, SBU, BOK, BRLW. Hizi vitu zingine kama HAFR, ADSS, KURW, FTG etc zinaweza sambaratika saa yeyote bila notisi. Stay woke!

@MugundaMan even putting your hard earned cash into "Migunda" involves some risk, especially here where, even after doing due diligence, you may end up being evicted from your plot. My point: I do not see sense continuing to accumulate land to the extent of buying plots in the middle of nowhere and land with greenhouses that have no roofs. You would be better off diversifying into stock than adding more of an asset you already have "enough" of. Now, when you DECIDE to diversify into stocks, that's where nasema some kind of analysis will serve you well.

@Obiero, I made my mistakes during the IPO decades. But what my mistakes taught me was that, when in an abusive marriage (Like you and KQ), it's better to cut your losses, divorce, early. Loss aversion is the cause of most heartbreaks in the NSE.
Mukiri
#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 06, 2018 12:46:22 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
obiero wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
Cv254K wrote:

I think some kind of analysis (FA, TA, corporate governance) can help you avoid the worst in NSE. Ama why is Chami insisting that you learn some accounting? But I saw an accountant advising us to borrow using cash as collateral to invest in risky business that needs the same capital as the collateral given to the bank. So, accounting could be overrated. Some guys in UK and US have found monkeys picking stocks using darts outperform the market in the long term.
You can choose the Monkey strategy. Go in blindly. Throw the darts. where they land, invest. smilesmile



I know many might not want to hear this, but to be honest with you, in the final analysis, all stock market "investing" is essentially speculation.Drool

The genius of the financial industry in the "West" starting a little over 140 years or so ago, was how they managed to convince the masses that;

1) putting good money (earned through crazy sweat and toil) over which one has direct control..

2) into financial 'assets' over which one has zero control (other than FA, and - God forbid - TA!)..

3) on which one "hopes" to make a gain through capital appreciation rather than asset income...

is "investing."

When people started selling valuable migunda (plots), tangible cows, oxen, houses and farm produce over which they had direct control, to buy digits and numbers on some exchange, sold by ruthless, stock-watering financial killers like Commodore Vanderbilt and Jacob Astor, over which they had zero control, that's when the world of that era started to go mad.

It's sanity has not returned to this day, in fact said madness has reached all corners of the globe, and is getting worse by the day! Read; Bitcoin.

That's why the "investing" masses have continued to get sheared ever since -- (Great depression 1929-39, Dot com bust 2001, Global financial crisis 2007/8 (effects still ongoing) and many more in between). And that's also why they will always be outperformed by dart throwing monkeys!

Add a cartel economy like Kenya into the mix, where outright corporate fraud is the norm and entire brokerages used to collapse and vanish into the wind up until relatively recently. Why would anyone in their right mind risk a huge chunk of their entire goat in such a casino?

Bottom line, for the average Joe or Jill, it is not a very wise move to expose more than 2-3% (at most) of one's hard earned assets to the casino whether in Kenya or anywhere else on God's green earth IMHO. All things (stocks..and "investors" alike) are monkeys in said casino when all is said and done.

Shalom.

I need to meet you and shake your hands.. You have spoken the whole truth. That's why I have never invested in more than 12 listed firms at the NSE, USE, RSE since my entry in 2006 and these mainly have had significant/some government holding.. Things like SCOM, KENRE, KEGN, KCB, KQ, SBU, BOK, BRLW. Hizi vitu zingine kama HAFR, ADSS, KURW, FTG etc zinaweza sambaratika saa yeyote bila notisi. Stay woke!

Laughing out loudly Nyathiwa, even those 12 firms, umeambiwa ni casino. No better nor worse. Your grass is no greener than your friend's

@MugundaMan.. You don't mince your words. That narrative is a bitter pill to swallow... for a pig! Bulls make money, bears make money, but pigs get slaughtered!

In essence, it is important to take profits. That, and what the good Book says, diversify your portfolio. Real and surreal assets .. For, using your examples, that cow can die, house can burn and produce can go bad.

Proverbs 19:21
Spikes
#18 Posted : Tuesday, February 06, 2018 1:05:03 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
Cv254K wrote:
obiero wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
Cv254K wrote:

I think some kind of analysis (FA, TA, corporate governance) can help you avoid the worst in NSE. Ama why is Chami insisting that you learn some accounting? But I saw an accountant advising us to borrow using cash as collateral to invest in risky business that needs the same capital as the collateral given to the bank. So, accounting could be overrated. Some guys in UK and US have found monkeys picking stocks using darts outperform the market in the long term.
You can choose the Monkey strategy. Go in blindly. Throw the darts. where they land, invest. smilesmile



I know many might not want to hear this, but to be honest with you, in the final analysis, all stock market "investing" is essentially speculation.Drool

The genius of the financial industry in the "West" starting a little over 140 years or so ago, was how they managed to convince the masses that;

1) putting good money (earned through crazy sweat and toil) over which one has direct control..

2) into financial 'assets' over which one has zero control (other than FA, and - God forbid - TA!)..

3) on which one "hopes" to make a gain through capital appreciation rather than asset income...

is "investing."

When people started selling valuable migunda (plots), tangible cows, oxen, houses and farm produce over which they had direct control, to buy digits and numbers on some exchange, sold by ruthless, stock-watering financial killers like Commodore Vanderbilt and Jacob Astor, over which they had zero control, that's when the world of that era started to go mad.

It's sanity has not returned to this day, in fact said madness has reached all corners of the globe, and is getting worse by the day! Read; Bitcoin.

That's why the "investing" masses have continued to get sheared ever since -- (Great depression 1929-39, Dot com bust 2001, Global financial crisis 2007/8 (effects still ongoing) and many more in between). And that's also why they will always be outperformed by dart throwing monkeys!

Add a cartel economy like Kenya into the mix, where outright corporate fraud is the norm and entire brokerages used to collapse and vanish into the wind up until relatively recently. Why would anyone in their right mind risk a huge chunk of their entire goat in such a casino?

Bottom line, for the average Joe or Jill, it is not a very wise move to expose more than 2-3% (at most) of one's hard earned assets to the casino whether in Kenya or anywhere else on God's green earth IMHO. All things (stocks..and "investors" alike) are monkeys in said casino when all is said and done.

Shalom.

I need to meet you and shake your hands.. You have spoken the whole truth. That's why I have never invested in more than 12 listed firms at the NSE, USE, RSE since my entry in 2006 and these mainly have had significant/some government holding.. Things like SCOM, KENRE, KEGN, KCB, KQ, SBU, BOK, BRLW. Hizi vitu zingine kama HAFR, ADSS, KURW, FTG etc zinaweza sambaratika saa yeyote bila notisi. Stay woke!

@MugundaMan even putting your hard earned cash into "Migunda" involves some risk, especially here where, even after doing due diligence, you may end up being evicted from your plot. My point: I do not see sense continuing to accumulate land to the extent of buying plots in the middle of nowhere and land with greenhouses that have no roofs. You would be better off diversifying into stock than adding more of an asset you already have "enough" of. Now, when you DECIDE to diversify into stocks, that's where nasema some kind of analysis will serve you well.

@Obiero, I made my mistakes during the IPO decades. But what my mistakes taught me was that, when in an abusive marriage (Like you and KQ), it's better to cut your losses, divorce, early. Loss aversion is the cause of most heartbreaks in the NSE.


Unfortunately @Obiero is KQ serial loser
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#19 Posted : Tuesday, February 06, 2018 6:03:51 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,217
Location: nairobi
Spikes wrote:
Cv254K wrote:
obiero wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
Cv254K wrote:

I think some kind of analysis (FA, TA, corporate governance) can help you avoid the worst in NSE. Ama why is Chami insisting that you learn some accounting? But I saw an accountant advising us to borrow using cash as collateral to invest in risky business that needs the same capital as the collateral given to the bank. So, accounting could be overrated. Some guys in UK and US have found monkeys picking stocks using darts outperform the market in the long term.
You can choose the Monkey strategy. Go in blindly. Throw the darts. where they land, invest. smilesmile



I know many might not want to hear this, but to be honest with you, in the final analysis, all stock market "investing" is essentially speculation.Drool

The genius of the financial industry in the "West" starting a little over 140 years or so ago, was how they managed to convince the masses that;

1) putting good money (earned through crazy sweat and toil) over which one has direct control..

2) into financial 'assets' over which one has zero control (other than FA, and - God forbid - TA!)..

3) on which one "hopes" to make a gain through capital appreciation rather than asset income...

is "investing."

When people started selling valuable migunda (plots), tangible cows, oxen, houses and farm produce over which they had direct control, to buy digits and numbers on some exchange, sold by ruthless, stock-watering financial killers like Commodore Vanderbilt and Jacob Astor, over which they had zero control, that's when the world of that era started to go mad.

It's sanity has not returned to this day, in fact said madness has reached all corners of the globe, and is getting worse by the day! Read; Bitcoin.

That's why the "investing" masses have continued to get sheared ever since -- (Great depression 1929-39, Dot com bust 2001, Global financial crisis 2007/8 (effects still ongoing) and many more in between). And that's also why they will always be outperformed by dart throwing monkeys!

Add a cartel economy like Kenya into the mix, where outright corporate fraud is the norm and entire brokerages used to collapse and vanish into the wind up until relatively recently. Why would anyone in their right mind risk a huge chunk of their entire goat in such a casino?

Bottom line, for the average Joe or Jill, it is not a very wise move to expose more than 2-3% (at most) of one's hard earned assets to the casino whether in Kenya or anywhere else on God's green earth IMHO. All things (stocks..and "investors" alike) are monkeys in said casino when all is said and done.

Shalom.

I need to meet you and shake your hands.. You have spoken the whole truth. That's why I have never invested in more than 12 listed firms at the NSE, USE, RSE since my entry in 2006 and these mainly have had significant/some government holding.. Things like SCOM, KENRE, KEGN, KCB, KQ, SBU, BOK, BRLW. Hizi vitu zingine kama HAFR, ADSS, KURW, FTG etc zinaweza sambaratika saa yeyote bila notisi. Stay woke!

@MugundaMan even putting your hard earned cash into "Migunda" involves some risk, especially here where, even after doing due diligence, you may end up being evicted from your plot. My point: I do not see sense continuing to accumulate land to the extent of buying plots in the middle of nowhere and land with greenhouses that have no roofs. You would be better off diversifying into stock than adding more of an asset you already have "enough" of. Now, when you DECIDE to diversify into stocks, that's where nasema some kind of analysis will serve you well.

@Obiero, I made my mistakes during the IPO decades. But what my mistakes taught me was that, when in an abusive marriage (Like you and KQ), it's better to cut your losses, divorce, early. Loss aversion is the cause of most heartbreaks in the NSE.


Unfortunately @Obiero is KQ serial loser

@cv254k you make some sense but remember hii pesa ni yangu hata crypto nikitaka ntanunua. meanwhile note that I twice sold some KQ as known by the true following here at wazua.. the reason why I got back in for 3rd time lucky shall be revealed in due course upon the Open Offer being materialized.. By the way my holding in KQ is basically my two and half months gross salary

KQ ABP 4.26
MugundaMan
#20 Posted : Tuesday, February 06, 2018 6:29:34 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 1/8/2018
Posts: 2,212
Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
Cv254K wrote:

@MugundaMan even putting your hard earned cash into "Migunda" involves some risk, especially here where, even after doing due diligence, you may end up being evicted from your plot. My point: I do not see sense continuing to accumulate land to the extent of buying plots in the middle of nowhere and land with greenhouses that have no roofs. You would be better off diversifying into stock than adding more of an asset you already have "enough" of. Now, when you DECIDE to diversify into stocks, that's where nasema some kind of analysis will serve you well.



True but in this day and age when all the land registries that matter have been digitized and simple due diligence well done (search at registry, getting green card certified copy, mutations if subdivided, I.D search of the vendor, signing sale agreement, surveyor pointing out the boundaries, actual visit to the land, getting consents including spouse & Land Control Board for freehold property, paying stamp duty after getting slips, talking to neighbours on the ground, etc) do serious people ever get conned on land transactions any more? Drool

That secure paper trail is too long my brother, it would be a tall order for one to get that done and then find out they have been swindled! Most of the stories you hear of swindling are those of people who wanted short cuts or bought a plot cash at a bar! And you are missing the bigger point which is control. At least with my mugunda in Moyale, nicely fenced, I can touch, see, breed dogs on and build my shack on. What control does the ordinary shareholder have on the management of NSE listed companies if they decide to milk the companies dry and self serve? Zero. Oxen may die but you have control over the process of caring for, feeding and vaccinating them. And you do not have to split the profits from their milk with anybody but self.

The average shareholder in the monkey casino is just a meek passenger tu, regardless of how well "diversified" he or she is. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the casino should be shut down. I'm just saying a casino is a casino and to treat in any other way is to delude oneself that one is "investing" when in reality it's just a clever form of gambling. Unless of course you own a huge chunk of shares of a particular company and can assume an activist role, appointing a representative(s) to the board and all.
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