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So Weinstein also ate Lupita
tycho
#21 Posted : Friday, October 20, 2017 5:25:07 PM
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This is a sad thread.

1. Even if Lupita didn't have sex with Weinstein, and

2. Even if Weinstein had sex Lupita

The difference between 1 and 2 is zero.

Now, @Dahatre, and @Amores seem to think there's a difference,

And @Masukuma appears to black box different genders and tries to 'defend' Lupita. When in fact, he's excusing Weinstein. Weinstein doesn't understand Lupita, and all the women he assaulted because he's just a man...

Then there are the droolers and the envious of both Weinstein and Lupita.

And the questioners who speak in 'tongues'.

mkenyan
#22 Posted : Friday, October 20, 2017 6:06:00 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
unless what the guy did was a crime, I don't see why the victim card is being played, I mean a guy asks for sex, someone agrees and thereafter their career blossoms, mimi sioni shida, sex has always been sought since the beginning of time.

I thought in the land of milk and honey all one has to do is dial 911.

it is called sexual harassment and it is a crime. at least in kenya it is. if you don't see a problem there then you are either already a criminal or a potential criminal.
Impunity
#23 Posted : Friday, October 20, 2017 7:05:16 PM
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Dahatre wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
unless what the guy did was a crime, I don't see why the victim card is being played, I mean a guy asks for sex, someone agrees and thereafter their career blossoms, mimi sioni shida, sex has always been sought since the beginning of time.

I thought in the land of milk and honey all one has to do is dial 911.

Just because something is not illegal does not make it right. The level of sexual harassment women endure is very destructive to their mental health. When your livelihood is dependent on you having sex with a powerful person, that stress is amplified.

Imagine if someone insisted on groping mens ninios repeatedly for them to get a job, or god forbid worse?


If that someone is a lady then I see no issue in that.
She is welcome.
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Lolest!
#24 Posted : Friday, October 20, 2017 7:10:08 PM
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Fullykenyan wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
Guys stop this nonsense. just because you dont like Anyang Nyongo, it does not mean, you have to attack his Family. leave lupita out of this. she made us proud and what she achieved nobody can take away from her

why do some see politics in everything, there is life outside of politics you know.


So you want to say those attacking Lupita is not because of politics??

The poster did not mention politics or the dad, you are the one assuming the political angle since that's how you see it.
People can discuss stuff without a political angle, this is an issue that is happening in the states, why would local politics get into that.


You must be very naive, to believe that politics does did not influence this discussion in wazua

But the originator is a Nasarite!

Not everything is siasa!
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Impunity
#25 Posted : Friday, October 20, 2017 7:20:21 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
Guys stop this nonsense. just because you dont like Anyang Nyongo, it does not mean, you have to attack his Family. leave lupita out of this. she made us proud and what she achieved nobody can take away from her

why do some see politics in everything, there is life outside of politics you know.


So you want to say those attacking Lupita is not because of politics??

The poster did not mention politics or the dad, you are the one assuming the political angle since that's how you see it.
People can discuss stuff without a political angle, this is an issue that is happening in the states, why would local politics get into that.


You must be very naive, to believe that politics does did not influence this discussion in wazua

But the originator is a Nasarite!

Not everything is siasa!


Me what I know it was all consensual.
The moment she agreed to allow the hairy guy to undress up to the pants and then go ahead and massage him plus give the nigga a head job...she was well aware of what was happening.
She is as guilty as it comes.

All seduction usually starts with the lady refusing advances but later she likes the guy and gives in.
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mpobiz
#26 Posted : Friday, October 20, 2017 7:29:28 PM
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I don't expect anybody to defend the wierd celebrity lifestyles. Anybody who ventures into the entertainment industry surely understands what's ahead. It's only sad that when competition finds an opportunity to attack you then the women you diny**d for them to become stars now gang up on you not because you diny**d them but because you also diny**d other women who overshadowed them. That's the story behind weinsteins predicaments.
Kama huyu binti aliwekelewa awache upus because hata mimi nilistuka hata kama ni mustuko wa furaha. Eti from shuga to an Oscar. Na tunajua vile huyu binti alitutisha na zile sex scenes huko shuga.
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Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
Dahatre
#27 Posted : Friday, October 20, 2017 8:13:13 PM
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Oy...
One day we shall raise Men who know that the best kind of sex is non-coerced sex where the woman is recognized as a sexual being with agency over her body and desires.

That day is not today...
tycho
#28 Posted : Friday, October 20, 2017 8:36:41 PM
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Dahatre wrote:
Oy...
One day we shall raise Men who know that the best kind of sex is non-coerced sex where the woman is recognized as a sexual being with agency over her body and desires.

That day is not today...


Only philosophers can know this, and the day all will be philosophers is under construction.

Have some hope and courage.

Now let's all note that whatever Lupita works for may be a delusion. Most of what we work for are delusions, deals with the devil that only leave us dead in the end.
Mike Ock
#29 Posted : Friday, October 20, 2017 9:07:21 PM
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Ati she let the biggest director in Hollywood undress, gave him a massage, then took off when he asked to bang? If you believe that story you are hopelessly naive! Laughing out loudly
Kusadikika
#30 Posted : Friday, October 20, 2017 9:17:19 PM
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For men. If one Friday night you go out with a girl and you ended up having sex and then one week later you had a disagreement. If this girl was to write anonymously in a newspaper article a detailed and truthful account of everything that happened between the 2 of you and you got the paper and read the story 3 weeks later there is a very good chance you would not recognize yourself in the story. Men and women have a way of remembering different things while seeing the same thing. Passage of time and things like regret or jealousy also have a powerful influence on memory.

faa
#31 Posted : Friday, October 20, 2017 9:53:21 PM
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From shuga to oscar.

Okay
Impunity
#32 Posted : Saturday, October 21, 2017 12:08:12 AM
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Mike Ock wrote:
Ati she let the biggest director in Hollywood undress, gave him a massage, then took off when he asked to bang? If you believe that story you are hopelessly naive! Laughing out loudly


That's the fakest part.
Yaani all that time they were locked in some room in a bed doing massage?Please respect us as human beings.
We are not goats.
She got eaten and sexed up her career.
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deadpoet
#33 Posted : Saturday, October 21, 2017 7:06:34 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Mike Ock wrote:
Ati she let the biggest director in Hollywood undress, gave him a massage, then took off when he asked to bang? If you believe that story you are hopelessly naive! Laughing out loudly


That's the fakest part.
Yaani all that time they were locked in some room in a bed doing massage?Please respect us as human beings.
We are not goats.
She got eaten and sexed up her career.


I'm inclined to agree... If the only thing standing between me and worldwide stardom and the Hollywood life is some unattractive chick I have to dish up, I would probably dish it up. To turn around and then say 'ermahgerd she's such a pig and she used me!' would be hypocrytical for that situation.

We can argue about if the end justifies the means philosophically, but whether or not it is right to sleep your way out of your current conditions is relative to the individual.

Impunity
#34 Posted : Saturday, October 21, 2017 8:39:08 AM
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deadpoet wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Mike Ock wrote:
Ati she let the biggest director in Hollywood undress, gave him a massage, then took off when he asked to bang? If you believe that story you are hopelessly naive! Laughing out loudly


That's the fakest part.
Yaani all that time they were locked in some room in a bed doing massage?Please respect us as human beings.
We are not goats.
She got eaten and sexed up her career.


I'm inclined to agree... If the only thing standing between me and worldwide stardom and the Hollywood life is some unattractive chick I have to dish up, I would probably dish it up. To turn around and then say 'ermahgerd she's such a pig and she used me!' would be hypocrytical for that situation.

We can argue about if the end justifies the means philosophically, but whether or not it is right to sleep your way out of your current conditions is relative to the individual.



Eti "ermahgerd"?

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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Gathige
#35 Posted : Saturday, October 21, 2017 12:30:10 PM
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Mike Ock wrote:
Ati she let the biggest director in Hollywood undress, gave him a massage, then took off when he asked to bang? If you believe that story you are hopelessly naive! Laughing out loudly


And then the man dressed up and asked his driver to drop her wherever!
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
Impunity
#36 Posted : Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:51:20 PM
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Gathige wrote:
Mike Ock wrote:
Ati she let the biggest director in Hollywood undress, gave him a massage, then took off when he asked to bang? If you believe that story you are hopelessly naive! Laughing out loudly


And then the man dressed up and asked his driver to drop her wherever!


Crappy...Sometimes silence is better.
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Ryko
#37 Posted : Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:25:37 PM
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The darker the berry the sweeter the juice.....

Weinstein combombulated those things Yawa...
I work so I can afford the amount of alcohol required to continue going to work
sitaki.kujulikana
#38 Posted : Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:30:30 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Gathige wrote:
Mike Ock wrote:
Ati she let the biggest director in Hollywood undress, gave him a massage, then took off when he asked to bang? If you believe that story you are hopelessly naive! Laughing out loudly


And then the man dressed up and asked his driver to drop her wherever!


Crappy...Sometimes silence is better.

Might be strategic, since the guy is already down it does not hurt her to add her story, its Hollywood maybe a movie will come based on the same and they might want those who sold their stories to star in the same.
next utasikia the ladies asked to take roles in movies with sex scenes claiming harassment
2012
#39 Posted : Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:13:48 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
For men. If one Friday night you go out with a girl and you ended up having sex and then one week later you had a disagreement. If this girl was to write anonymously in a newspaper article a detailed and truthful account of everything that happened between the 2 of you and you got the paper and read the story 3 weeks later there is a very good chance you would not recognize yourself in the story. Men and women have a way of remembering different things while seeing the same thing. Passage of time and things like regret or jealousy also have a powerful influence on memory.



But there's also the flip side. If she went to have fun and some guy takes advantage of her, there's a high chance that she'll never speak about it. So this topic will end up being about how we have been cultured to this topic of harassment as individuals. I was with some guys discussing this Lupita issue and some guys did not think this even constituted to harassment. they thought it's normal and she's realising it now because others are talking while some guys think she realised it because she's from an up market family, but this is normal.

BBI will solve it
:)
Dahatre
#40 Posted : Saturday, October 21, 2017 5:49:54 PM
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It never ceases to amaze me how predictable the narrative of sexual harassment/abuse/assault/violence is.

As soon as a woman accuses a man of sexual misconduct we quickly find ways to absolve the man by focusing on the woman’s behavior. What did the woman do/not do to bring the abuse onto herself—Why did she go to his house? Why did she drink? what was she wearing? How can we believe her? etc etc..

The net effect is that we never ask the central questions—Why can’t men stop sexually harassing/assaulting/raping women? When does a man, especially a man in power become accountable for his behavior? Why do so many men appear to enjoy coercive sex? Why do men not respect the agency of women?

If we asked the latter questions of men, we might have a fighting chance of raising men who know how to relate to women respectfully.
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