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Totally agree. Today #2 was in my home town and I was privileged to have lunch in the midst.We sent word for them to respect SCORK going foward. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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Bigchick wrote:Totally agree. Today #2 was in my home town and I was privileged to have lunch in the midst.We sent word for them to respect SCORK going foward. I don't even understand why Jubilee is annoyed yet they have the numbers!!! Let them hit the campaign trail mara hiyo hiyo!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 344
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Yenyewe ... he needs to be somewhere strategizing not running the streets angering and disappointing his supporters.
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Sansa wrote:Yenyewe ... he needs to be somewhere strategizing not running the streets angering and disappointing his supporters. Could this be the reason he was MIA today having been grounded by those with influence on him. Insulting Maraga was a terrible goof but am also of the opinion that he should have readily grabbed the olive branch Nanok extended instead of seeking to have him and Ekwee replaced at the same time putting at risk Turkana vote as well as Gusii's and other swingers. He has also unnecessary given NASA a weapon. Vitri
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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ForSport2 wrote:This is provided for in the in the law. Look at Rule 23 of the Supreme Court (Presidential Petition) Rules 2017 The court in 2013 also provided the full reasoned judgement later. The summary reasons for both the outcome and dissents were given. Their order I think is simply follow the standards which are set out in the law. You nullify a process in which 15m Kenyans participated, cost billions, etc and don't even have the courtesy to mention the major reasons leading to this decision? Then you order repeat of elections within 60 days, meaning Iebc can still conduct in 14 days before getting the full judgement in 21 days? And in any case, by 21st day, Iebc will already have done most of the planning for the fresh election? so they wont even learn any lessons from the ruling when planning the fresh election? And why wait 21days to give writeup yet you nullified election based in some solid reasons?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Euge wrote:Cv254K wrote:Hard to understand Jubilee's "SCORK-attack" strategy. What is the upside? Many downsides.
a) Strongholds' voter turnout? - Can be achieved by their other strategy - that voters wao (even if a misquotation) waliitwa vifaranga. Vifaranga strategy can achieve same effect without alienating supporters in battlegrounds. Has already been tested in Nakuru.
b) Timing - If the SCORK majority were not to show how flawed process obliterated the "lead" in their scheduled comprehensive judgment, I am sure they will now show how. With a conclusion and errors in the process, you can show anything. A better timing for the SCORK-attack strategy would be after the comprehensive ruling. In that case they would only need to dig for errors in NASA areas and then craft the propaganda that SCORK colluded with NASA to rule on process because NASA sabotaged the process.
c) They lose the usual "respect institutions" retort.
I think they are shocked at the outcome and are throwing tantrums. Its unnecessary. From where I sit, they will win this thing. They just need to get people to turn out and vote. They have the tyranny of course we are assuming and this being a forum for just discussing stuff, my take is that they know what they are doing, and I don't think the anti maranga rhetoric will stop, they are basically trying to push a narrative that maranga does not regard their vote and hoping people will come back to prove maranga wrong. I think you have it right. Uhuruto won 2013 on an anti ICC strategy. I expect they will run an anti SCORK campaign this time - which means tarring Maranga. Of course this will play badly back home in Nyamira/Kisii, but the loss will be more than made up by massive turn out in RV/GEMA. If I was NASA I would not be celebrating just yet. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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limanika wrote:ForSport2 wrote:This is provided for in the in the law. Look at Rule 23 of the Supreme Court (Presidential Petition) Rules 2017 The court in 2013 also provided the full reasoned judgement later. The summary reasons for both the outcome and dissents were given. Their order I think is simply follow the standards which are set out in the law. You nullify a process in which 15m Kenyans participated, cost billions, etc and don't even have the courtesy to mention the major reasons leading to this decision? Then you order repeat of elections within 60 days, meaning Iebc can still conduct in 14 days before getting the full judgement in 21 days? And in any case, by 21st day, Iebc will already have done most of the planning for the fresh election? so they wont even learn any lessons from the ruling when planning the fresh election? And why wait 21days to give writeup yet you nullified election based in some solid reasons? They need a good writer to square this conundrum and it can't be done over night. After all this will be the most scrutinized judgement of modern times. Don't be fooled. This was about power not justice. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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Bigchick wrote:Totally agree. Today #2 was in my home town and I was privileged to have lunch in the midst.We sent word for them to respect SCORK going foward. Not only respect the court,but to stop drinking and going to meet the people for crying out loud. We understand the shock of the ruling,but we can't understand their behaviour. Jana in Narok,the president was a laughing stock, people were saying "huyu jamaa amelewa hata hajitambui". Tell them, jubilee supporters are pretty upset and embarrassed No amount of name calling will change the ruling,dawa ni debe tuu @liv ako WaPi,we need another emissary ;) I am happy
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/2/2017 Posts: 31
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wukan wrote:Cv254K wrote:Hard to understand Jubilee's "SCORK-attack" strategy. What is the upside? Many downsides.
a) Strongholds' voter turnout? - Can be achieved by their other strategy - that voters wao (even if a misquotation) waliitwa vifaranga. Vifaranga strategy can achieve same effect without alienating supporters in battlegrounds. Has already been tested in Nakuru.
b) Timing - If the SCORK majority were not to show how flawed process obliterated the "lead" in their scheduled comprehensive judgment, I am sure they will now show how. With a conclusion and errors in the process, you can show anything. A better timing for the SCORK-attack strategy would be after the comprehensive ruling. In that case they would only need to dig for errors in NASA areas and then craft the propaganda that SCORK colluded with NASA to rule on process because NASA sabotaged the process.
c) They lose the usual "respect institutions" retort.
I think the aim is to create a frenzy in the strongholds, raise the tension so high that the only option on the table for the loser is a concession speech for the sake of peace. Picture this Oct 31st and Baba calls pressie and says once again for the 5th time kimeibiwo. As for SCORK they need to learn from the Us supreme court during Roosevelt era. There were 4 judges who decided to scuttle the new deal and kept declaring all legislation under the new deal unconstitutional. Roosevelt went on a campaign again the supreme court. The 4 judges were labeled "four horsemen of the apocalypse". With a clear majority in senate and congress, Roosevelt came up with the court-packing bill to appoint new judges to replace the 4 old ones. Eventually it's the supreme court that backed down. That's the reason in the US before appointment the judges are thoroughly vetted for ideological leanings. The worst thing is even parliament is unconstitutional because of 2/3 gender rule. I don't see how judiciary wants to take on the executive and legislature. At least with the politicians we can get rid off them every five years. Our judiciary also needs to back down on the activism angle. They are over-reaching here. Based on events today, seems that's the strategy. That Oct/Nov will be a referendum about who decides: SCORK or "the people". I am not sure though whether it was well implemented or timed. If the process has issues, I will be surprised if Baba does not say Kimeibiwo.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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limanika wrote:
You nullify a process in which 15m Kenyans participated, cost billions, etc and don't even have the courtesy to mention the major reasons leading to this decision? Then you order repeat of elections within 60 days, meaning Iebc can still conduct in 14 days before getting the full judgement in 21 days? And in any case, by 21st day, Iebc will already have done most of the planning for the fresh election? so they wont even learn any lessons from the ruling when planning the fresh election? And why wait 21days to give writeup yet you nullified election based in some solid reasons?
 Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Ekuru Aukot says he is going to be on the ballot in the fresh election. http://www.nation.co.ke/...1650-f51em3z/index.html
His conduct of late leaves al ot to be desired Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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What do you mean? Anyway kalipata ngapi kwa computer ya vifaranga  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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Waste of ballot ink and space. Anyway, lets respect his constitutional right.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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Trying to improve his performance from an F to a strong E-minus.Waste of Time but its his constitutional right. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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Matiang’i said that if the IEBC is unable to consider the proposed dates, they would be able to reschedule the examination timetable. However that would disrupt the Ministry of Education’s annual calendar and offset events such as release of the examination dates and placement of Form One students in 2018. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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Angelica _ann wrote:Matiang’i said that if the IEBC is unable to consider the proposed dates, they would be able to reschedule the examination timetable. However that would disrupt the Ministry of Education’s annual calendar and offset events such as release of the examination dates and placement of Form One students in 2018. Always a sober man. He needs to have a word with his boss on sobriety. When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/9/2008 Posts: 2,824
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what was the turnout per county on 8/8/17 for the PORK elections? we need to apply that NASA formula and see how vifaranga will look like after the repeat. When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,568
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Angelica _ann wrote:Matiang’i said that if the IEBC is unable to consider the proposed dates, they would be able to reschedule the examination timetable. However that would disrupt the Ministry of Education’s annual calendar and offset events such as release of the examination dates and placement of Form One students in 2018. Very sensible gentleman, i hope the very small bunch of paid kisiis in nyamira who were marching against uhuru can understand the merit based system, but some of this things can cause jealousy amongst people, given they are both huge figures nationally, emotional decisions could end up being made out of simple wivu and affect school, exams, security e.t.c juu ya wivu ya kuwa ma-jogoo wa kisii, na mdosi wa sda church e.t.c there will be a lot of arguments in kisii town today  Ras Kienyeji Man
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