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Fresh PORK elections in 60 days – as ordered by SCORK.
Ngalaka
#11 Posted : Sunday, September 03, 2017 12:36:52 PM
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We are where we are.

Both Jubilee and NASA must now draw their budget to fund their campaigns for the new poll.
What outlook do we have for each!

There is expected some defections back and forth, by politicians who lost in 8817 elections. Who is likely to be the net gainer!

In mind here I have Khalwale, Musila, Munya, Isaac Rutto, Kidero, Chirau Makwere, Kabogo and the caboodle.

There is also the question of regions reviewing their positions – Ukambani, Kisii, Western etc.
I wonder if the declared results of 8817 elections as a whole (presidential, Gubernatorial, Senatorial MPs etc) might influence voters’ choices including apathy.
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kiash
#12 Posted : Sunday, September 03, 2017 1:38:14 PM
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My worry is seeing how Uhunye was angry and how he talked, "tungewaonyesha cha mtema kuni" i wonder what would happen if he looses in the new election. He would not give away the power considering he won the first election.
So the best option will be for Raila to loose, even if he does, people in Kisumu and Mbasa + Mathare and Kibera will burn tyres and fall down as a result of "stray bullets"
and then after sometime cool down. Why, the economic effect. Anza na mboga na nyanya and then move to Unga. Then they will discover that their people up there will still go back to their homes in Karen and Runda after the street struggle.
If that does not happen, then a rough time is ahead.
Cv254K
#13 Posted : Sunday, September 03, 2017 4:07:13 PM
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Hard to understand Jubilee's "SCORK-attack" strategy. What is the upside? Many downsides.
a) Strongholds' voter turnout? - Can be achieved by their other strategy - that voters wao (even if a misquotation) waliitwa vifaranga. Vifaranga strategy can achieve same effect without alienating supporters in battlegrounds. Has already been tested in Nakuru.
b) Timing - If the SCORK majority were not to show how flawed process obliterated the "lead" in their scheduled comprehensive judgment, I am sure they will now show how. With a conclusion and errors in the process, you can show anything. A better timing for the SCORK-attack strategy would be after the comprehensive ruling. In that case they would only need to dig for errors in NASA areas and then craft the propaganda that SCORK colluded with NASA to rule on process because NASA sabotaged the process.
c) They lose the usual "respect institutions" retort.


Euge
#14 Posted : Sunday, September 03, 2017 4:25:16 PM
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Cv254K wrote:
Hard to understand Jubilee's "SCORK-attack" strategy. What is the upside? Many downsides.
a) Strongholds' voter turnout? - Can be achieved by their other strategy - that voters wao (even if a misquotation) waliitwa vifaranga. Vifaranga strategy can achieve same effect without alienating supporters in battlegrounds. Has already been tested in Nakuru.
b) Timing - If the SCORK majority were not to show how flawed process obliterated the "lead" in their scheduled comprehensive judgment, I am sure they will now show how. With a conclusion and errors in the process, you can show anything. A better timing for the SCORK-attack strategy would be after the comprehensive ruling. In that case they would only need to dig for errors in NASA areas and then craft the propaganda that SCORK colluded with NASA to rule on process because NASA sabotaged the process.
c) They lose the usual "respect institutions" retort.



I think they are shocked at the outcome and are throwing tantrums. Its unnecessary. From where I sit, they will win this thing. They just need to get people to turn out and vote. They have the tyranny
Lord, thank you!
sitaki.kujulikana
#15 Posted : Sunday, September 03, 2017 4:35:30 PM
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Euge wrote:
Cv254K wrote:
Hard to understand Jubilee's "SCORK-attack" strategy. What is the upside? Many downsides.
a) Strongholds' voter turnout? - Can be achieved by their other strategy - that voters wao (even if a misquotation) waliitwa vifaranga. Vifaranga strategy can achieve same effect without alienating supporters in battlegrounds. Has already been tested in Nakuru.
b) Timing - If the SCORK majority were not to show how flawed process obliterated the "lead" in their scheduled comprehensive judgment, I am sure they will now show how. With a conclusion and errors in the process, you can show anything. A better timing for the SCORK-attack strategy would be after the comprehensive ruling. In that case they would only need to dig for errors in NASA areas and then craft the propaganda that SCORK colluded with NASA to rule on process because NASA sabotaged the process.
c) They lose the usual "respect institutions" retort.



I think they are shocked at the outcome and are throwing tantrums. Its unnecessary. From where I sit, they will win this thing. They just need to get people to turn out and vote. They have the tyranny

of course we are assuming and this being a forum for just discussing stuff, my take is that they know what they are doing, and I don't think the anti maranga rhetoric will stop, they are basically trying to push a narrative that maranga does not regard their vote and hoping people will come back to prove maranga wrong.

Remember they just need the same people who voted for them to come out again, and the maranga story might be used for that.
Njung'e
#16 Posted : Sunday, September 03, 2017 4:43:49 PM
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Uhuru awache hasira ndogo ndogo. The ruling is in the past and there is not much he can do. He must also understand that the supreme court, just like all other independent bodies,are ours and the only ones we have and they should be respected regardless. He should also know that there are many Kenyans who drink, including myself, but are disciplined enough to know when to hit the bottle and what to do thereafter. Like old man Atwoli, I support the call for Uhuru to sober up. It's very annoying to see him in that stateSad Sad Sad

http://nairobinews.natio...-up-atwoli-tells-uhuru/
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ForSport2
#17 Posted : Sunday, September 03, 2017 4:49:14 PM
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safariant wrote:
limanApplause ika wrote:
That the SC can annul an election without giving the reasons, or summary of the same, and yet everyone is supposed to obey the order without questions asked, shows theres something wrong in our laws. Parliament is squarely at fault here for failing to enact supportive n comprehensive legislation to guide conduct of presidential election petitions


Applause Applause Applause


This is provided for in the in the law.
Look at Rule 23 of the Supreme Court (Presidential Petition) Rules 2017

The court in 2013 also provided the full reasoned judgement later. The summary reasons for both the outcome and dissents were given. Their order I think is simply follow the standards which are set out in the law.
Ngalaka
#18 Posted : Sunday, September 03, 2017 5:47:09 PM
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ForSport2 wrote:
safariant wrote:
limanApplause ika wrote:
That the SC can annul an election without giving the reasons, or summary of the same, and yet everyone is supposed to obey the order without questions asked, shows theres something wrong in our laws. Parliament is squarely at fault here for failing to enact supportive n comprehensive legislation to guide conduct of presidential election petitions


Applause Applause Applause


This is provided for in the in the law.
Look at Rule 23 of the Supreme Court (Presidential Petition) Rules 2017

The court in 2013 also provided the full reasoned judgement later. The summary reasons for both the outcome and dissents were given. Their order I think is simply follow the standards which are set out in the law.

Given the import of their decision, there was need to clarify this.
Hope they will do the clarification in their full judgement which should come asap.
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wukan
#19 Posted : Sunday, September 03, 2017 6:09:26 PM
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Cv254K wrote:
Hard to understand Jubilee's "SCORK-attack" strategy. What is the upside? Many downsides.
a) Strongholds' voter turnout? - Can be achieved by their other strategy - that voters wao (even if a misquotation) waliitwa vifaranga. Vifaranga strategy can achieve same effect without alienating supporters in battlegrounds. Has already been tested in Nakuru.
b) Timing - If the SCORK majority were not to show how flawed process obliterated the "lead" in their scheduled comprehensive judgment, I am sure they will now show how. With a conclusion and errors in the process, you can show anything. A better timing for the SCORK-attack strategy would be after the comprehensive ruling. In that case they would only need to dig for errors in NASA areas and then craft the propaganda that SCORK colluded with NASA to rule on process because NASA sabotaged the process.
c) They lose the usual "respect institutions" retort.




I think the aim is to create a frenzy in the strongholds, raise the tension so high that the only option on the table for the loser is a concession speech for the sake of peace. Picture this Oct 31st and Baba calls pressie and says once again for the 5th time kimeibiwo.Pray Pray Pray

As for SCORK they need to learn from the Us supreme court during Roosevelt era. There were 4 judges who decided to scuttle the new deal and kept declaring all legislation under the new deal unconstitutional. Roosevelt went on a campaign again the supreme court. The 4 judges were labeled "four horsemen of the apocalypse". With a clear majority in senate and congress, Roosevelt came up with the court-packing bill to appoint new judges to replace the 4 old ones. Eventually it's the supreme court that backed down. That's the reason in the US before appointment the judges are thoroughly vetted for ideological leanings.

The worst thing is even parliament is unconstitutional because of 2/3 gender rule. I don't see how judiciary wants to take on the executive and legislature. At least with the politicians we can get rid off them every five years. Our judiciary also needs to back down on the activism angle. They are over-reaching here.
Ngalaka
#20 Posted : Sunday, September 03, 2017 6:44:39 PM
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One thing seems certain if Uhuru or is it when Uhuru is re-elected he will call for a referendum to fix certain clauses in the Constitution.

For instance, were it not for the constraints of stringent timelines that left SCORK no leeway at all, the Judges would have otherwise ordered a recount of the ballot and spared the Country the agony of having to go through an electioneering period with the attendant inconveniences, cost issues, tensions, disruptions, etc.

He might also be tempted to use the referendum to target the judiciary as he has been threatening which would be unfortunate.
Someone needs to give him some sound advice in this area.
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