And what is this truth? That Raila lost 'fairly'? How much do we know about this?

Consider this other 'truth'. The courts are the best suited to determine the truth.

But what happens in instances where 'truth' threatens the status quo and the imminent change is deemed too costly, even by some of those who are to determine the truth?

I'd like to use the example of the ICC cases against the now president elect and his deputy. Considering the lobbying and jockeying that was evident, the ICC had to consider the threat to its existence and it's probable that this was an influence in how the court decided to deal with the cases.

The big question now is how we can negotiate truth in a pluralist society, and also how and whether this truth can be enforced or effected.

We lose it when we define the problem simply as, 'Raila'.

To see someone who claim to be enlightened talk like this know we're doomed.

Reporters arrested. Police block other journalists from covering protests. The you have the guts to ask for evidence? Are you serious when you ask that?

And FYI, before you ask, I am not a Luo. Why does it matter the tribe anyway. Tribalism in your heart again?

Sorry Tycho but you and I part ways here.

A true leader is known when things are going bad, not just when sycophants are massaging his ego.

If Raila can convince 6 million Kenyans to vote for him, he can convince a few misled youth not to die for him, as many of them are deluded into thinking. So far he has done no such thing. Granted he will lose face in doing so, but are the lives of our young people less important than his ego?

Our country will get now where if we can not hold those we apoint to lead us to account.

No. And that is why the man says the courts are not an option. In my view, he missed the ICC bus last time but this time round he is very insistent on boarding. Where is Bensouda when you need her?

So evidence is only from reporters and journalists.Evidence is required for us to get the truth.How come KNHRC have 24.

Please read the context with which the "Luo tribe question"came in.

Thank you, this is exactly what I really want to know as well.

The Law is very clear Forms 34A/B/C are sacrosanct in the tallying process - very telling that NASA agents have NOT raised any issues of discrepancy between what they signed off and submitted to IEBC and what IEBC used for tallying so far, otherwise they would be screaming it everywhere.

...all those pang'ang'as mara of Msando (may he RiP), inaccurate computer logs, faulty NASA tallies, some insider, demand for access to servers, etc are just red herrings, and am glad many folks including envoys have seen these shifting goal posts for what they truly are - struggling to accept a major routing.

Good most Kenyans can now see very clearly that all those electoral reforms they wanted (and were granted) were meant more to aid their quest for power than for Kenya. It appears crowds used to go more for the hype (all those tialala/ tibim chants) than any real belief in Baba.

Everyday that passes without conceding, Baba is losing any goodwill he may have acquired over the years and his democratic credentials increasingly appear to have been, in fact, a cover for naked greed for power.

If Yes,

Is it just or fair to ask that the originator of the assertion provide this basis ?

It may be fair and just to ask the originator. And in fact, if the originator wishes to engender enlightened public opinion then he/they should engage their 'bloggers' for example.

But there's also a possibility that the originator isn't in a position to respond as we wish. Do we go for his jugular?

You know even the young people protesting believe your statement to be true? The only other addition, being that it's worth dying for the cause.

I live in Kibera myself, and I know for a fact that there are many young people who go to work, but are never paid as per their contracts. And they can't do anything about it because the police and the law have proven more often than not, to listen to the voice of money and power.

Contrast that with how the president and the deputy have lived and gotten to power, and the kind of system they seem to be propagating.

Then tell me if, from the young people's perspective, Raila isn't saving lives now and in the future by seeking a final thrust for change in the status quo. Raila may lose face by doing so. But what the heck!

Individuals bear responsibility even when acting their scripts, but the buck doesn't stop there.

Is the forum provided in our current laws, that offers a public platform for this interrogation of the basis of these assertions and offers determinations based on verifiable information provided, a fair and just forum ?

i.e Courts?