I find it difficult to show that tribes cause conflict. Conflict is caused by limitations in negotiation and creativity among other skills that fall outside the purview of origin.

Besides, the conflict we're considering is pretty limited. Nationalism has been a huge factor in creating inter-national conflict and has been used as a reason for interfering in other nation's affairs. For example, how did British interests work to create Kenya and how did the colonial decision to allow political representation only from district/tribal entities support the idea that tribes cause conflict?

Makes us great? Great at what? Tribalism? The fact that we have the biggest slum in Africa? Crippling corruption? What? Apart from our world beating track athletes, we are that great at much.

All those "isms" you are talking about are social issues that don't lead to violence or at worst genocide so they are not exactly debilitating issues. You will never hear about people of a certain country slaughtering each other because of homophobia, misogyny or even racism. In the case of ageism, lol, that's laughable, surely, nobody is ever going to hack his neighbor to death because the neighbor called him old. Hehehe. Unless there are countries that have people who are reaaaaaally sensitive about their age. But Kenyans will hack each other to death simply because they speak different languages. That's the difference.

Somalia has many clans which are Kenya's equivalent of tribes. Their clan differences are very very similar to Kenya's tribe. Each clan wants to impose it's perceived superiority on the others. That's the problem. Their hatred is based on clans.

And I love Kenya with all my heart just like most of us here do, but let's call a spade a spade, this country is very far from great. Having lived abroad for years and travelling extensively all over the globe, I have had the pleasure of seeing great countries and am sorry but Kenya is not among them. We are a poor third world country that has soooooo many issues. Truth be told. Actually most of Kenya can be described as a piece of shit if we were to really say it like it is. And i say this with love. Don't let your emotional attachment to your country blind you from the facts that are right in front of your eyes. I don't and that's why I don't bury my head in the sand. The first step to self improvement is to accept that we have problems.

If we didn't have tribes in Kenya, we would currently be evaluating every single candidate from a very different perspective. We would probably be questioning their inyegrity, development records, leadership skills, etc. But since we are tribal idiots, we can't wait to vote for people who have last names that resemble ours. Everything else be damned, mtu wetu is the order of the day. And you guys still think tribes make us great?

Real Kenyans? What makes other Kenyans more real than me? Living abroad and travelling the globe makes me less Kenyan? How do you measure the percentage of Kenyaness in a Kenyan? The Kenyans that travel lose percentage points for travelling? What am I down to? 50%, 70% Kenyan?

Nobody is more Kenyan than the other one, elitist or not. Wacha ufala.

Devolution will not wipe out tribalism. Maybe you didn't get the jist of this thread. We are talking about tribalism and the effects it has on Kenyans and Kenya especially during this election time. Tribalism and devolution are two different concepts. Apples and oranges my friend. How will devolution stop the Kikuyu and Luo contempt towards each other? Your statement doesn't make any sense.

And quit with the disdain that you have for middle class people. Sounds like you have some sort of complex. There is a lot of hard working middle class families who don't live in "ivory towers" and are far from being or acting elitist. You can't just throw subtle derogatory stereotypes at a group of people who work their asses off to afford that middle class status that you look down upon.

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Ban all vernacular languages. They are avenues of hate.

No. Keep them but use them as avenues to educate the masses on the futility of hate in a language they would understand.

If we got rid of them we wouldn't even need to teach the masses on the futility of hate in the first place because there would be no reason for tribal hate if there are no tribes. We would instead teach them how to prosper since hate will be out of the way and we can now focus on more important teachings of prosperity and other things that bring development and make people's lives better. Tribes are holding us back. They add absolutely no value to Kenyans, they only breed hate.

What you propose requires a time span of no less than thirty eight years.

We have got thirty eight days to the erections.

Unless we discuss "Elections" in this 38 day context, then I regret this conversation reverts to one best reserved for the halls of the "Ivory Towers."

Cultural revolution by who? And what is that going to achieve? Will the Kikuyu and Luo people love each other and vote for each other's presidential candidates after this "cultural" revolution? Ujinga ni those tribes that you are defending. They are primitive just like the people who are for them.

Change the title of this thread to reflect your sentiment.

The most important number in Kenia and her diaspora right now is 8817.

Anything else is a square in a circle.

Like it or not our tribes are our heritage.We should be proud of Our diversity.If you think being civilized is eradicating tribes and languages,then you are lost somehere in the jungle of reality.I love my tribe and I wouldn't give it up to be a 'civilised English or Frenchman.'And the fact that I love my tribe doesn't necessarily mean that I hate other tribes..No..It just stupid politicians who like to make us belief so.