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enyands
#21 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:15:28 PM
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alma1 wrote:
RichVee wrote:
We need a Kenyan John Grisham to write real life sequels based on our corruption cases. She owns 20 sole proprietor companies!
If the truth were to be laid bare, i wonder how many people would go to jail with her.


What corruption are you talking about? This is another Raira gimmick.

I remember fellows on this very forum screaming and cursing how Raila is just talking about corruption at NYS because Kibera has at last been modified.

The same people are now writing how the health ministry is the imagination of chocho mendia and NTV.

That is not a John Grisham book, that's a Steven King book.

Where zombies walk around following the sound of the master. If the master says Raira, the zombies say "will never be president". Meanwhile the zombie king is drinking the blood of their children.

Hiyo ni Steven King.

Kind like the TV program The Strain.




Honestly this is funny . I always say smart Kenyans will judge leaders by their current deeds and not mass political sycophants hiding in tribal mushroom heads.

I copied this from somewhere guys:


If you ask them to point out one thing what raila has ever done to them they won't say, but when the tribal mushroom leader shouts
"RAIIIRAAA", promptly without a haste they immidiately follow "wirr neffer efer efer be plesident"

Their tax money is stolen ,their tribal leader says "raila" they promptly follow too" gitio agenge will never be president kosobet".. whatever that means

Their people are lying in the hospital bed with no medication ,no doctors ,no nurses because they are on strike ...their tribal leader follows them to hospital ,looks at them in the eye and gently whisper in their ear" shhh laila!!!!", they shout back " WIRR NEFER BE PLESIDENT!!!!!"
The tribal leader gets upset at them for yelling and tells them " chezea chini , did you see me shouting ??" He repeats the same words in low voice "laila!", the dying men answers in whispers "wirr nefer be plesident!!!"

Finally the tribal leader comes to their funeral where the masses are gathered and shouts even before he gives a eulogy of his dying sycophant"RAIRAAAAA", the brothers ,sisters ,mother and all fire back with clenched fists "WIRR NEFER BE PLESIDENT!!!!!! ".The poor man is laid to rest and the tribal leader goes looking for the relatives and start trailing them with the same slogans ..


That's our Kenya .
Shak
#22 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:25:07 PM
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hardwood
#23 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:25:49 PM
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What crime has Kabura committed? She was awarded a tender to supply construction materials such as hardcore, building stones, ballast etc for NYS projects which she did and was paid for goods delivered. When you go to quarry to source materials you tell those guys there to load hardcore or stones for you and pay them cash. You do not ask them for invoices before you pay. Same with the lorries that transport the materials for you. Munahesabu ni ngapi and pay each other cash cash. The only documents kabura was supposed to have are the delivery notes for the materials submitted and stamped by NYS and she submitted those documents and was paid. So what other documents does this committee require?

Also once someone pays money into my account, is it anyone else's business to know how I withdraw the money how much i withdraw and how i carry it home and pay the workers, if I have security while carrying the cash and any other nonsense etc?

Also when a regular kenyan woman like Kabura wins a tender to kumwaga material, people complain, when Ouru's cousin wins they still complain that it is humble "kabura" who should have been given. Munataka nini jameni? So do you people want women to come from mars to take up those 30% tenders set aside for women and youth?
kaka2za
#24 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:36:52 PM
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hardwood wrote:
What crime has Kabura committed? She was awarded a tender to supply construction materials such as hardcore, building stones, ballast etc for NYS projects which she did and was paid for goods delivered. When you go to quarry to source materials you tell those guys there to load hardcore or stones for you and pay them cash. You do not ask them for invoices before you pay. Same with the lorries that transport the materials for you. Munahesabu ni ngapi and pay each other cash cash. The only documents kabura was supposed to have are the delivery notes for the materials submitted and stamped by NYS and she submitted those documents and was paid. So what other documents does this committee require?

Also once someone pays money into my account, is it anyone else's business to know how I withdraw the money how much i withdraw and how i carry it home and pay the workers, if I have security while carrying the cash and any other nonsense etc?

Also when a regular kenyan woman like Kabura wins a tender to kumwaga material, people complain, when Ouru's cousin wins they still complain that it is humble "kabura" who should have been given. Munataka nini jameni? So do you people want women to come from mars to take up those 30% tenders set aside for women and youth?


With Kenyans like you,we don't need any enemies.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
masukuma
#25 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:41:44 PM
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murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions.


Yes it is a crime. Its like not going to court when given a judicial summon.

Sheria wrote:

27. (1) A person commits an offence where the
person—
(a) having been duly summoned in terms of section 18
fails, without sufficient cause to—

(i) attend at the time and place specified in the
summons; or

(ii) remain in attendance until excused from
further attendance by the person presiding at
the inquiry;

(b) when called upon under section 18, refuses to be
sworn in or to make an affirmation as a witness; or

(c) fails or disobeys without sufficient cause to—

(i) answer fully and satisfactorily all questions
lawfully put to the person under section 18;

(ii) produce any document, paper, book or record
in the person’s possession, custody or control
which the person has been required to produce
under section 18.

(2) A person who commits an offence under
subsection

(1) is liable, on conviction, to a fine not
exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to
imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to
both.





Even feigning ignorance is an offence. But why are people "feeling sorry"? She needs to produce everyone involved and stop acting.

What is section 18?

Si even in court you are not required to say anything - why would you incriminate yourself?


PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES
PART V—SUMMONING OF WITNESSES
18—Invitation and summoning of witnesses.

You shouldn't say anything to police because they can use it against you. (Rem its you vs state). But summons where you take an oath, you are required to say nothing but the truth. If you fail to comply you are either a hostile witness or refractory witness


if you refuse to take the oath? since anyone is sane mind cannot knowingly make a case for others ama I am missing something? ukisema I don't intend to perjure myself so I will not take the oath.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Jump-steady
#26 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 5:45:56 PM
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Posts: 1,098
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
What crime has Kabura committed? She was awarded a tender to supply construction materials such as hardcore, building stones, ballast etc for NYS projects which she did and was paid for goods delivered. When you go to quarry to source materials you tell those guys there to load hardcore or stones for you and pay them cash. You do not ask them for invoices before you pay. Same with the lorries that transport the materials for you. Munahesabu ni ngapi and pay each other cash cash. The only documents kabura was supposed to have are the delivery notes for the materials submitted and stamped by NYS and she submitted those documents and was paid. So what other documents does this committee require?

Also once someone pays money into my account, is it anyone else's business to know how I withdraw the money how much i withdraw and how i carry it home and pay the workers, if I have security while carrying the cash and any other nonsense etc?

Also when a regular kenyan woman like Kabura wins a tender to kumwaga material, people complain, when Ouru's cousin wins they still complain that it is humble "kabura" who should have been given. Munataka nini jameni? So do you people want women to come from mars to take up those 30% tenders set aside for women and youth?


With Kenyans like you,we don't need any enemies.


Laughing out loudly

The figures that were read there were quite humongous! It is likely the culprits still have some of it with them. With the PAC having retreated to hear the matter in private, could they trade in kenyans for their stomachs as they are known to do. If they are offered 10M each to water down this issue, would they refuse? Are they even known to refuse bribes at PAC?
murchr
#27 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 6:08:22 PM
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Posts: 15,980
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions.


Yes it is a crime. Its like not going to court when given a judicial summon.

Sheria wrote:

27. (1) A person commits an offence where the
person—
(a) having been duly summoned in terms of section 18
fails, without sufficient cause to—

(i) attend at the time and place specified in the
summons; or

(ii) remain in attendance until excused from
further attendance by the person presiding at
the inquiry;

(b) when called upon under section 18, refuses to be
sworn in or to make an affirmation as a witness; or

(c) fails or disobeys without sufficient cause to—

(i) answer fully and satisfactorily all questions
lawfully put to the person under section 18;

(ii) produce any document, paper, book or record
in the person’s possession, custody or control
which the person has been required to produce
under section 18.

(2) A person who commits an offence under
subsection

(1) is liable, on conviction, to a fine not
exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to
imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to
both.





Even feigning ignorance is an offence. But why are people "feeling sorry"? She needs to produce everyone involved and stop acting.

What is section 18?

Si even in court you are not required to say anything - why would you incriminate yourself?


PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES
PART V—SUMMONING OF WITNESSES
18—Invitation and summoning of witnesses.

You shouldn't say anything to police because they can use it against you. (Rem its you vs state). But summons where you take an oath, you are required to say nothing but the truth. If you fail to comply you are either a hostile witness or refractory witness


Can what you say before those committee be used against you in the courts, ama its just a court of public opinion where the worst that can happen to one is to poteza public face.


The court admits evidence brought before it. Its up to the prosecutor
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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ZZE123
#28 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:06:21 PM
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Posts: 2,490
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
ZZE123 wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
what is the parliamentary committee supposed to achieve


Justify the members sitting allowances

Really??

Yap, what has any parliamentary committee even done for Kenyans??????????


E.X.A.C.T.L.Y!

I mean do they have some defined deliverables, if the committee is receiving allowance and not delivering what difference exists between them and the one they are accusing.

#SystemYaMajambazi
The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
murchr
#29 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:11:51 PM
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This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Angelica _ann
#30 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:16:37 PM
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murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
hardwood
#31 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:19:12 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid?
murchr
#32 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:28:41 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


Kufungwa ata fungwa but the pipeline needs to be repaired. Wako wengi hawa watu
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kaka2za
#33 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:58:32 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid?


She never sought any tender. The only documents she got were LPOs.
I liked the part about carrying 52M to the quarry.

I will be loitering in the quarries now.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
hardwood
#34 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:00:54 PM
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murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


Kufungwa ata fungwa but the pipeline needs to be repaired. Wako wengi hawa watu


If Nakumatt contracts you to supply their stores with sukuma wiki, and then issues arise regarding payments, then it is the Nakumatt finance officer who should answer any audit questions or kufungwa, not the supplier.
hardwood
#35 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:10:05 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid?


She never sought any tender. The only documents she got were LPOs.
I liked the part about carrying 52M to the quarry.

I will be loitering in the quarries now.


There's nothing wrong with LPOs. Companies and institutions issue LPOs and tenders all the time. You should be questioning the company/institution that issued the LPO, not the client who supplied goods. BTW an LPO is a binding contract just like a tender.

murchr
#36 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:13:49 PM
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hardwood wrote:
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


Kufungwa ata fungwa but the pipeline needs to be repaired. Wako wengi hawa watu


If Nakumatt contracts you to supply their stores with sukuma wiki, and then issues arise regarding payments, then it is the Nakumatt finance officer who should answer any audit questions or kufungwa, not the supplier.



Quote:
317. Conspiracy to defraud
Any person who conspires with another by deceit or any fraudulent means to affect the market price of anything publicly sold, or to defraud the public or any person, whether a particular person or not, or to extort any property from any person, is guilty of a misdemeanour and is liable to imprisonment for three years.


Quote:
CHAPTER V – PARTIES TO OFFENCES
20. Principal offenders
(1) When an offence is committed, each of the following persons is deemed to have taken part in committing the offence and to be guilty of the offence, and may be charged with actually committing it, that is to say—

(a) every person who actually does the act or makes the omission which constitutes the offence;
(b) every person who does or omits to do any act for the purpose of enabling or aiding another person to commit the offence;
(c) every person who aids or abets another person in committing the offence;
(d) any person who counsels or procures any other person to commit the offence
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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hardwood
#37 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:16:38 PM
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Companies and institutions always have a database of pre-qualified suppliers. So if a company prepares an LPO and calls supplier X in their database and gives her the LPO, should she refuse to supply?
murchr
#38 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:20:29 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Companies and institutions always have a database of pre-qualified suppliers. So if a company prepares an LPO and calls supplier X in their database and gives her the LPO, should she refuse to supply?


She said that non of her 20 companies had any pre-qualification infact she doesnt understand what that is
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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masukuma
#39 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:36:17 PM
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murchr wrote:
hardwood wrote:
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


Kufungwa ata fungwa but the pipeline needs to be repaired. Wako wengi hawa watu


If Nakumatt contracts you to supply their stores with sukuma wiki, and then issues arise regarding payments, then it is the Nakumatt finance officer who should answer any audit questions or kufungwa, not the supplier.



Quote:
317. Conspiracy to defraud
Any person who conspires with another by deceit or any fraudulent means to affect the market price of anything publicly sold, or to defraud the public or any person, whether a particular person or not, or to extort any property from any person, is guilty of a misdemeanour and is liable to imprisonment for three years.


Quote:
CHAPTER V – PARTIES TO OFFENCES
20. Principal offenders
(1) When an offence is committed, each of the following persons is deemed to have taken part in committing the offence and to be guilty of the offence, and may be charged with actually committing it, that is to say—

(a) every person who actually does the act or makes the omission which constitutes the offence;
(b) every person who does or omits to do any act for the purpose of enabling or aiding another person to commit the offence;
(c) every person who aids or abets another person in committing the offence;
(d) any person who counsels or procures any other person to commit the offence

So you must draw a dotted line between the person who gave the tender and the one who was given. So the only person who will rat out Kabura is the guy who signed the LPO!
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murchr
#40 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:38:55 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
hardwood wrote:
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


Kufungwa ata fungwa but the pipeline needs to be repaired. Wako wengi hawa watu


If Nakumatt contracts you to supply their stores with sukuma wiki, and then issues arise regarding payments, then it is the Nakumatt finance officer who should answer any audit questions or kufungwa, not the supplier.



Quote:
317. Conspiracy to defraud
Any person who conspires with another by deceit or any fraudulent means to affect the market price of anything publicly sold, or to defraud the public or any person, whether a particular person or not, or to extort any property from any person, is guilty of a misdemeanour and is liable to imprisonment for three years.


Quote:
CHAPTER V – PARTIES TO OFFENCES
20. Principal offenders
(1) When an offence is committed, each of the following persons is deemed to have taken part in committing the offence and to be guilty of the offence, and may be charged with actually committing it, that is to say—

(a) every person who actually does the act or makes the omission which constitutes the offence;
(b) every person who does or omits to do any act for the purpose of enabling or aiding another person to commit the offence;
(c) every person who aids or abets another person in committing the offence;
(d) any person who counsels or procures any other person to commit the offence

So you must draw a dotted line between the person who gave the tender and the one who was given. So the only person who will rat out Kabura is the guy who signed the LPO!


She doesnt want to state who that is. She keeps claiming that she was called by the procurement department. The woman doesnt even know how to read the statements clearly she was not in this alone. But she is the signatory of the bank accounts

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