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Punda amechoka- Kenya spending Kshs 55M per MP
Obi 1 Kanobi
#11 Posted : Friday, October 14, 2016 1:10:03 PM
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I also don't understand the concept of sitting allowances as its so widely practiced in the public sector.

My work involves many meetings including some outside the office, meeting many people etc. I don't ask my employer to pay me a sitting allowance, all those meetings are part of my JD.

Our non exec board members however do get a sitting allownace coz they are not on salary but their eetings are restricted to 4 per year.

Why then is it that in the public sector, everybody is paid a sitting allowance for manner of things that they are expected to do as part of their JD and even for mundane things like to visit the toilet.

Further, Does the president get a sitting allowance when he is meeting other presidents or attending some international function. Why is it then that an MP gets a sitting allowance for attending a committee meeting which is part and parcel of their JD.

We need to really figure out a way to force change in our public institutions.

PUNDA AMECHOKA
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
thuks
#12 Posted : Friday, October 14, 2016 1:21:22 PM
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Joined: 10/8/2008
Posts: 1,575
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I also don't understand the concept of sitting allowances as its so widely practiced in the public sector.

My work involves many meetings including some outside the office, meeting many people etc. I don't ask my employer to pay me a sitting allowance, all those meetings are part of my JD.

Our non exec board members however do get a sitting allownace coz they are not on salary but their eetings are restricted to 4 per year.

Why then is it that in the public sector, everybody is paid a sitting allowance for manner of things that they are expected to do as part of their JD and even for mundane things like to visit the toilet.

Further, Does the president get a sitting allowance when he is meeting other presidents or attending some international function. Why is it then that an MP gets a sitting allowance for attending a committee meeting which is part and parcel of their JD.

We need to really figure out a way to force change in our public institutions.

PUNDA AMECHOKA


Only elected leaders get sitting allowance, not the holloi polloi of public sector
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#13 Posted : Friday, October 14, 2016 2:10:13 PM
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thuks wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
I also don't understand the concept of sitting allowances as its so widely practiced in the public sector.

My work involves many meetings including some outside the office, meeting many people etc. I don't ask my employer to pay me a sitting allowance, all those meetings are part of my JD.

Our non exec board members however do get a sitting allownace coz they are not on salary but their eetings are restricted to 4 per year.

Why then is it that in the public sector, everybody is paid a sitting allowance for manner of things that they are expected to do as part of their JD and even for mundane things like to visit the toilet.

Further, Does the president get a sitting allowance when he is meeting other presidents or attending some international function. Why is it then that an MP gets a sitting allowance for attending a committee meeting which is part and parcel of their JD.

We need to really figure out a way to force change in our public institutions.

PUNDA AMECHOKA


Only elected leaders get sitting allowance, not the holloi polloi of public sector


Why are these elected leaders getting sitting allowances

Secondly, they will not call it sitting allowance but everyone in public sector is always getting one form of allowance or another starting with the drivers all the way to the top of whichever organization they are in.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Alba
#14 Posted : Friday, October 14, 2016 8:24:27 PM
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Wamunyota wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The auditor General has done some great work, but will the politicians listen?

Politicians Do not give a f**k.Will kenyans listen?


Nope
There are many even on wazua who think spending this much money on MPs is appropriate.

Aside from too many MPs, I don't understand why Kenya needs senators. What do they accomplish?
marko
#15 Posted : Saturday, October 15, 2016 7:36:02 PM
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Alba wrote:
Wamunyota wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
The auditor General has done some great work, but will the politicians listen?

Politicians Do not give a f**k.Will kenyans listen?


Nope
There are many even on wazua who think spending this much money on MPs is appropriate.

Aside from too many MPs, I don't understand why Kenya needs senators. What do they accomplish?

Those people are either mpigs or aspiring mpigs.
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Lolest!
#16 Posted : Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:25:19 PM
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Location: Kianjokoma
Mungai Kihanya had a good suggestion : To reduce MPs while dealing with gender rule, scrap senate, have natl assembly be based on current counties. Each county votes 2 people: 1 man 1 woman. That deals with both problems at national level.

At county level, reduce the wards to the current constituency numbers. Eg Nairobi will have just 17wards. Vote as above
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Lolest!
#17 Posted : Saturday, October 15, 2016 8:32:16 PM
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Location: Kianjokoma
My only issue with MuKihanya's suggestion is that it disadvantages populous counties like Nairobi, Kiambu,Kakamega..

Each county will have an equal share of votes. Very undemocratic when crucial decisions are made by parliament

This can be mitigated by allocating votes per county. So Nairobi would have 17 votes while Lamu just 2
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masukuma
#18 Posted : Saturday, October 15, 2016 9:43:13 PM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
Katiba YES!! hii kitu ni kama mdomo ya nyoka!! hakuna reverse gear! Who do you expect to lead this discussion? MPs? Who?
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Iganamagana
#19 Posted : Monday, October 17, 2016 10:41:33 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
Mungai Kihanya had a good suggestion : To reduce MPs while dealing with gender rule, scrap senate, have natl assembly be based on current counties. Each county votes 2 people: 1 man 1 woman. That deals with both problems at national level.

At county level, reduce the wards to the current constituency numbers. Eg Nairobi will have just 17wards. Vote as above


Problem solved. Make it a referendum issue for August 2017 elections. Implement August 2022 elections.
Iganamagana
#20 Posted : Monday, October 17, 2016 10:44:33 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
My only issue with MuKihanya's suggestion is that it disadvantages populous counties like Nairobi, Kiambu,Kakamega..

Each county will have an equal share of votes. Very undemocratic when crucial decisions are made by parliament

This can be mitigated by allocating votes per county. So Nairobi would have 17 votes while Lamu just 2


Then re-draw the County boundaries but ensure they do not exceed the current 47. We should reduce them to below 40.
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