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Swenani
#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 4:59:18 PM
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alma1 wrote:
Here's the link to the bill

http://kenyalaw.org/kl/f...titioners_Bill_2016.pdf

Please note the wholesome defination of ICT at the very beginning.

"Information Communication Technology (ICT)"
means technologies employed in collecting, storing,
processing, using or sending out information and include
those involving the use of computers, mobile apparatus or
any telecommunication system;

If you think you are safe, the think again. Even bloggers will have to get a license. If you work at the tweeterer for your company, that license shall be mandatory.

If this is not the very definition of far reaching depending on who hates you.


Will this require me to have license in order to post in wazua?
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masukuma
#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 5:16:33 PM
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This bill is a product of a lawyer's head! tell the f**king lawyers to stick to their tracks. We don't want them putting their ugly noses into our business... Licence fees!! what is wrong with people? These types of laws bar entry and choke nascent industries and kill innovation. You know unlike every other profession I know - on seeing something new, Lawyers ask themselves - is it legal? instead of is it useful?
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Speculz
#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 5:19:57 PM
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The worst thing is this may be passed ....
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murchr
#14 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 5:22:05 PM
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What is the objective of this "practitioners institute"?

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6. The functions of the Institute shall be to-

    (a) establish standards of professional competence and practice amongst members of the Institute; HOW?

    (b) protect, assist and educate the public in Kenya in
    all matters touching, ancillary or incidental to the
    profession of ICT; Conduct of business and affairs of the Council.

    (c) represent, protect and assist members of the
    profession of ICT in Kenya in respect of conditions of practice and otherwise;

    (d) approve courses for purposes of registration of ICT Practitioners under this Act;
    (e) administer such examinations as may be necessary to determine whether persons are qualified for registration under this Act; Ok so universities are not enough

    (f) register and licence ICT practitioners for the
    purposes of this Act upon payment of the prescribed fees;

    (g) collaborate with training institutions, professional associations and other relevant bodies in matters relating to training and professional development of ICT practitioners;
    (h) determine the fees to be charged by ICT
    practitioners and firms for professional services
    rendered from time to time;     TOTAL HOGWASH
    (i) upon request, to act as an arbitrator in any disputes between a licensed ICT Practitioner and a client;
    (j) advise the Cabinet Secretary on appropriate
    policies and programs governing the profession of
    ICT in Kenya;
    (k) supervise the professional conduct and practice of
    ICT practitioners and to take the necessary
    disciplinary measures in cases of violations of
    professional conduct and discipline;
    (l) plan, arrange, co-ordinate and oversee continuing
    professional training and development of ICT practitioners. I hope they mean practitioners working in govt
    (m)promote the international recognition of the
    Institute;
    (n) carry out any other functions prescribed for it
    under any of the other provisions of this Act or
    under any other written law.



Bull crap, by the time they complete debating this the courses that they approve will be obsolete. This is just another way of fleecing the public. Someone is trying to copy and paste the LSK stuff to IT. Bure kabisa
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alma1
#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 5:33:15 PM
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murchr wrote:
What is the objective of this "practitioners institute"?



You know when you read this bill word for word you get a migrane that a doctor can't cure. Only Konyagi

Part of their duties is

Quote:
() advise the Cabinet Secretary on appropriate
policies and programs governing the profession of
ICT in Kenya;
(k) supervise the professional conduct and practice of
ICT practitioners and to take the necessary
disciplinary measures in cases of violations of
professional conduct and discipline;
(l) plan, arrange, co-ordinate and oversee continuing
professional training and development of ICT
practitioners.
(m)promote the



This is what this means.

Because I can't afford to go to college I decide to teach myself Python in the bedroom. After I get certfied as a great Pythonian, I get a job online from some guys in India.

Now the Indians tell me that I need to get Ruby, so I have to talk to this nicompoops who earn 1 million to build joomla gov't websites, to plan, arrange and oversee any further education to develop myself as an ICT practitioner.

By the way does anyone even know what the hell ICT Practitioner means or is was it a word curved out someones muratina binging.

I just can't believe we can be discussing such a useless bill.

I agree with tycho, even the very suggestion that this bill such pass shall have far reaching repurcussions for whichever fellow decides to front it in gov't. Kwanza in the urban areas where these young guys are trying to make a living.

Can you imagine this bill may force or those young kids in town fixing mobile phones to get an ICT Practitioners lisence overseen by some nondescript organisation that no one has ever heard of called sijui association of what!

Damn Maghufuli may be senile but this is madness.
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murchr
#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 5:42:17 PM
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Google defines a practitioner as

prac·ti·tion·er
prakˈtiSH(ə)nər/
noun
a person actively engaged in an art, discipline, or profession, especially medicine.
"patients are treated by skilled practitioners"

That word is just wrong when used in description of IT.

Now, this is how creativity is killed. Fixing people in a box and telling them the have to fit in there or else.
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alma1
#17 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 5:46:15 PM
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Even when you hurt the feelings of a client, you shall end up in jail!!!!

why not just tell "practitioners" to fall in love with their clients and marry them?

Who wrote this crap?

Quote:
(e) is insensitive to clients through a lack of regard or
concern for clients' needs, feelings, rights, or
welfare of others;
(f) shows incompetence or inability to render
services, for reasons ranging from inadequate
training or inexperience, to personal unfitness,
such as a character defect or an emotional
disturbance;
(g) evidences inesponsibility including lack of
reliable or dependable execution of professional
duties, attempts to blame others for one's mistakes,
shoddy or superficial professional work, or
excessive delays in delivering necessary feedback,
assessments, reports, or services; or
(h) is guilty of abandonment through failure to follow
through with their duties or responsibilities,
thereby causing clients to become vulnerable or
incur unnecessary expenditure
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masukuma
#18 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 5:46:50 PM
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Establishment thinking at work. Create barriers of entry so that the establishment can shake down the tree. It's neither good for the industry (it will slow it down) nor is it good for the customers - the so-called practitioners will charge them highly. it only benefits the establishment. People have not learned from the waste that is the engineers association in kenya? by the way - which "ICT practitioner" uses what they were taught in school?
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murchr
#19 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 6:00:55 PM
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Weka kidole hapo and sign this nonsense out.

I still want to know who came up with this foolishness

https://www.change.org/p...e-ict-practitioners-bill
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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nakujua
#20 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 6:02:00 PM
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waaa, sasa nini hi
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