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Doping in sports
Othelo
#21 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2016 8:31:44 PM
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Alba wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Alba wrote:
masukuma wrote:

Like clockwork the undisputed Prof has weighed in! just wondering why they have a list of banned substances in Tennis or Golf if it does not give any advantages?


I see my stalker is still obsessed with me personally and follows me around like an unhinged fellow.

For your info, When WADA initially adds a new substance to the banned list, they typically add it for every sport.

So yes that means that the blood booster EPO which mostly helps marathon runners is also banned from chess even though its benefits to chess are non-existent or close to zero.


I bet to know why? why? oh why? oh ye of unparalleled knowledge? why add a substance to a list of sports that includes ajua - a substance that does not give the ajua player any advantages since their skills are "picking up some seeds and throwing them in the air" and cannot benefit from artificial stimulation,then go ahead and ask ajua players to always stay vigilant and stay off said substance - when you catch an ajua player taking said substance - you go ahead and give him/her a slap on the wrist since it really does not benefit him/her to begin with. What's the point?


My stalker is posting while drunk, posting all kinds of incoherent gibberish. So at this point I choose to ignore him.

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Alba
#22 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2016 8:38:41 PM
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I mentioned the risk reward ratio for tennis. As things stand now, Sharapova has already been dropped by numerous sponsors: Nike, TAG Heuer, Porsche.

Doping is typically done by athletes who are desperate to make money. Sharapova does not need to win to make money. She was already the highest paid female player in any sport. She was making almost twice what Serena Williams makes even though she has far fewer grand slam wins.

On top of that Sharapova was destined to continue making money after retirement. She would have become a broadcaster for BBC or some big TV channel. Her endorsements would not have dried up after retirement.

Now that she has been busted for doping she could lose some of that. In her case, doping does not make the slightest sense. There is almost no reward for doping yet the penalties for doping are high in her case.

This is the exact opposite of track athletes who are doping. Take a marathon runner for example. His livelihood depends on finishing in the top 3. If he does not finish in the top 3, he makes no money. Thats why track athletes are more likely to dope.

For those like masukuma mkenyan who clearly have comprehension difficulties, let me put this in bold: For a top tennis player, the risk of doping is high and the benefit is low. That does not mean no one in tennis cheats. It just means they are highly unlikely.

And again I am not saying Sharapova is innocent. I am just saying that in her case, the chances that this was a mistake are plausible. Doping does not make sense in her case. She made $30 million in 2015. She could have retired and still made $30 million in 2016. Remember Pele retired in 1977 yet he still makes $10 million per year in endorsements.

OK bring it on. I thrive on these debates.
Othelo
#23 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2016 8:43:50 PM
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Sharapova has been caught dopping, headed to be banned. That is all what we tribal Kenyans know. Others are just that .... side shows. We are waiting for the next person to be busted!!!
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masukuma
#24 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2016 9:05:31 PM
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Othelo wrote:
Alba wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Alba wrote:
masukuma wrote:

Like clockwork the undisputed Prof has weighed in! just wondering why they have a list of banned substances in Tennis or Golf if it does not give any advantages?


I see my stalker is still obsessed with me personally and follows me around like an unhinged fellow.

For your info, When WADA initially adds a new substance to the banned list, they typically add it for every sport.

So yes that means that the blood booster EPO which mostly helps marathon runners is also banned from chess even though its benefits to chess are non-existent or close to zero.


I bet to know why? why? oh why? oh ye of unparalleled knowledge? why add a substance to a list of sports that includes ajua - a substance that does not give the ajua player any advantages since their skills are "picking up some seeds and throwing them in the air" and cannot benefit from artificial stimulation,then go ahead and ask ajua players to always stay vigilant and stay off said substance - when you catch an ajua player taking said substance - you go ahead and give him/her a slap on the wrist since it really does not benefit him/her to begin with. What's the point?


My stalker is posting while drunk, posting all kinds of incoherent gibberish. So at this point I choose to ignore him.

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chemirocha
#25 Posted : Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:35:59 PM
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Alba wrote:
I mentioned the risk reward ratio for tennis. As things stand now, Sharapova has already been dropped by numerous sponsors: Nike, TAG Heuer, Porsche.

Doping is typically done by athletes who are desperate to make money. Sharapova does not need to win to make money. She was already the highest paid female player in any sport. She was making almost twice what Serena Williams makes even though she has far fewer grand slam wins.

On top of that Sharapova was destined to continue making money after retirement. She would have become a broadcaster for BBC or some big TV channel. Her endorsements would not have dried up after retirement.

Now that she has been busted for doping she could lose some of that. In her case, doping does not make the slightest sense. There is almost no reward for doping yet the penalties for doping are high in her case.

This is the exact opposite of track athletes who are doping. Take a marathon runner for example. His livelihood depends on finishing in the top 3. If he does not finish in the top 3, he makes no money. Thats why track athletes are more likely to dope.

For those like masukuma mkenyan who clearly have comprehension difficulties, let me put this in bold: For a top tennis player, the risk of doping is high and the benefit is low. That does not mean no one in tennis cheats. It just means they are highly unlikely.

And again I am not saying Sharapova is innocent. I am just saying that in her case, the chances that this was a mistake are plausible. Doping does not make sense in her case. She made $30 million in 2015. She could have retired and still made $30 million in 2016. Remember Pele retired in 1977 yet he still makes $10 million per year in endorsements.

OK bring it on. I thrive on these debates.


Well argued however I beg to differ on the point of risk versus reward.

The contracts signed in professional sports are structured in such a way that a player stands to earn more based on their performances e.g winning a tournament earns a bigger payout than losing at the quarter final stage.

And even with a guaranteed salary of 30 million USD, the 3 million USD jackpot at Wimbledon is still a significant boost to your earnings.

Anyway IMO Sharapova made an honest mistake because the high profile drugs cheats are not this open.
mkenyan
#26 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 12:06:59 AM
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chemirocha wrote:
Alba wrote:
I mentioned the risk reward ratio for tennis. As things stand now, Sharapova has already been dropped by numerous sponsors: Nike, TAG Heuer, Porsche.

Doping is typically done by athletes who are desperate to make money. Sharapova does not need to win to make money. She was already the highest paid female player in any sport. She was making almost twice what Serena Williams makes even though she has far fewer grand slam wins.

On top of that Sharapova was destined to continue making money after retirement. She would have become a broadcaster for BBC or some big TV channel. Her endorsements would not have dried up after retirement.

Now that she has been busted for doping she could lose some of that. In her case, doping does not make the slightest sense. There is almost no reward for doping yet the penalties for doping are high in her case.

This is the exact opposite of track athletes who are doping. Take a marathon runner for example. His livelihood depends on finishing in the top 3. If he does not finish in the top 3, he makes no money. Thats why track athletes are more likely to dope.

For those like masukuma mkenyan who clearly have comprehension difficulties, let me put this in bold: For a top tennis player, the risk of doping is high and the benefit is low. That does not mean no one in tennis cheats. It just means they are highly unlikely.

And again I am not saying Sharapova is innocent. I am just saying that in her case, the chances that this was a mistake are plausible. Doping does not make sense in her case. She made $30 million in 2015. She could have retired and still made $30 million in 2016. Remember Pele retired in 1977 yet he still makes $10 million per year in endorsements.

OK bring it on. I thrive on these debates.


Well argued however I beg to differ on the point of risk versus reward.

The contracts signed in professional sports are structured in such a way that a player stands to earn more based on their performances e.g winning a tournament earns a bigger payout than losing at the quarter final stage.

And even with a guaranteed salary of 30 million USD, the 3 million USD jackpot at Wimbledon is still a significant boost to your earnings.

Anyway IMO Sharapova made an honest mistake because the high profile drugs cheats are not this open.

i doubt this. just think she merely has a good pr team. her answer brings up so many questions.

this is what the drug she has been taking does:

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as a result of its use of the organism acquires the ability to withstand stress and to quickly restore energy reserves. because of these properties mildronat used to treat a variety of disorders of the cardiovascular system, the blood supply to the brain, as well as enhance physical and mental performance

and she has been taking it for 10 years while it should be taken for 4-6 weeks.

she may have found, for all these time, a drug which gave her an advantage and wasn't banned and with a plausible deniability. unlucky for her it caught up with her when she didn't realize it had been banned.
Alba
#27 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 7:43:48 PM
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chemirocha wrote:

Well argued however I beg to differ on the point of risk versus reward.

The contracts signed in professional sports are structured in such a way that a player stands to earn more based on their performances e.g winning a tournament earns a bigger payout than losing at the quarter final stage.

And even with a guaranteed salary of 30 million USD, the 3 million USD jackpot at Wimbledon is still a significant boost to your earnings.

Anyway IMO Sharapova made an honest mistake because the high profile drugs cheats are not this open.


At Chemirocha

I see your point. You are partially right in that prize money and even endorsements depend on how well you do in the tournaments.

However Sharapova is different. The reason she is highest paid female athlete is not because she wins. Its because she's beautiful. She could have gone the rest of her life without winning a major or she could have even retired and she would still be banking $30 million a year or more.

On top of that, she would have been guaranteed a high paying broadcasting gig with BBC upon retirement. Not to mention reality shows, books deals, movie deals and so forth. This woman literally does not need to win a tennis major to make big money. People in the US and Europe are obsessed with her. And she is so hot, she would still be doing endorsements even in her forties.

All she needed to do was maintain a her reputation and occasionally reach the quarter-final of a major. I am sure she had discussed all these possibilities with her agent.

If indeed Sharapaova was deliberately doping with a substance that has minimal effect on her performance but high risk on her reputation then she must be an idiot or does not listen to her agent.

She had several examples to learn from: Tiger Woods and Lance Armstrong also lost money due to reputation damage.

I am inclined to believe she is just careless. This is just conjecture on my part. Maybe she really did cheat deliberately.

I think its a case of being careless because unlike Rita Jeptoo, and other dopers, Sharapova does not need to win to make money. Desperation for money is what usually cases doping
Alba
#28 Posted : Wednesday, March 09, 2016 8:05:49 PM
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The other reason I said tennis has a lower reward for doping is because unlike athletics, there is no direct correlation between doping and performance.

In athletics, doping can take a person from running 10.20 for the 100 metres to running 9.95. This makes a huge difference in whether you will be invited to Diamond league meets or not.

This means a person who had no chance of qualifying for an Olympic final, can actually win gold.

Consider the case of Rita jeptoo. By 2007, she was struggling and ran a season's best of 2:32:03 . Then she started taking EPO and by 2013 she was running 2:19.00. She literally improved 12 minutes

That is the difference between not being invited to a marathon major and making zero dollars and winning several marathons and making millions of dollars.

In tennis, the effect of doping is much lower. A person who is not good enough to qualify for the Australian open will not suddenly win the Australian open because of doping. At best they could win one match if that.

Yet if you are busted for doping , you could lose a year's worth of prize money by being suspended.

Is it worth it? You must strongly consider this especially if you are already wealthy. Rather than using illegal substances to relieve stress or increase stamina like mkenyan is suggesting, why not just use legal supplements? Remember this is tennis not marathon. Therefore you don't need a super boost of endurance.
Alba
#29 Posted : Friday, April 08, 2016 8:47:23 PM
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When it comes to doping, Russians do not play.
Their entire U18 hockey team was busted for doping. These guys start early.
Alba
#30 Posted : Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:27:47 PM
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WADA may have rushed too quickly to accuse Sharapova. They are now backtracking and saying maybe she did'nt dope and it was a genuine mistake.

If she is cleared, I wonder if the sponsors will come running back pleading with her to take them back.
Alba
#31 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2016 9:36:57 PM
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Genzebe Dibaba's coach was busted for distributing dope.

I wonder if this is why Genzebe has not run this season. She scratched from the Oslo Diamond league citing injury.

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faa
#32 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 8:03:55 AM
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doping is so prevalent nowadays and mainly pushed by the damn coaches on athletes, why?

because they want their athletes to win and get proper commissions/margin from their wins

It's possible Dibaba could have been involved. She has really terrorized our naturally aspirated Kenyan athletes for long.

Good thing WADA is upto the task and they will be unmasked one by one.

Shocking thing is that the state was in involved in Russia. How can the ministry of sports faciliate doping drugs to Atheletes,Shame!
masukuma
#33 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 8:39:30 AM
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faa wrote:
doping is so prevalent nowadays and mainly pushed by the damn coaches on athletes, why?

because they want their athletes to win and get proper commissions/margin from their wins

It's possible Dibaba could have been involved. She has really terrorized our naturally aspirated Kenyan athletes for long.

Good thing WADA is upto the task and they will be unmasked one by one.

Shocking thing is that the state was in involved in Russia. How can the ministry of sports faciliate doping drugs to Atheletes,Shame!

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chemirocha
#34 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 9:35:51 AM
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faa wrote:
doping is so prevalent nowadays and mainly pushed by the damn coaches on athletes, why?



Doping in sports is not a new trend.
Kratos
#35 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 10:18:02 AM
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There is a doping double standard in American sports. The “big money” sports – football, baseball, and basketball – turn a blind eye to their athletes using performance-enhancing drugs while track – a “poor” sport – does not.


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For the past few decades, track governing bodies have dealt with doping by punishing athletes who test positive with a two-year ban from competition for a first offense and a lifetime ban from competition for a second offense. Next year, the punishment for a first-time offense will be extended from a two-year ban to a four-year ban from competition. Either way, these punishments are disproportionately harsh when compared to, say, the NFL’s 4-game suspension (basically 30 days) for a first offense, 8-game suspension (basically 60 days) for a second offense and year suspension for a third offense. A third offense in the NFL is less than a first offense in track. To make matters even more unequal, testing procedures in the NFL are, just like their punishments, more relaxed than those in track. The NFL doesn’t even test players for human growth hormone (HGH), one of the most widely used performance-enhancing substances in sports.


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The lack of transparency in the NFL is also worth noting. The players union is so protective that it doesn’t even allow the specific results of a positive test to be public, which means that players can be caught using steroids and publicly claim otherwise, with no repercussions. NFL testing and punishment procedures are so flawed that the head of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), David Howman, publicly criticized them last year (2013).


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Alba
#36 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 3:41:51 PM
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BTW Jama Aden, the Somalian coach who was busted with EPO has also extensively trained Mo Farah, Abubaker Kaki and Tarek Makhloufi. And Mo Farah also trained with Alberto Salazar, another coach suspected of doping athletes. Unfortunately investigations take years and by the time we find out anything, all these athletes will be retired.
Alba
#37 Posted : Tuesday, June 21, 2016 3:48:42 PM
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One more issue on Mo Farah
Back in 2006 he ran in the 5000m at the Commonwealth games. Farah was 23 at the time. The race was won by Augustin Choge who was 19 at the time.

What is shocking however is that Farah finished in 9th place 44 seconds behind Choge. In fact at the time Farah was a below average runner.

6 years later Farah had surpassed Choge and is suddenly the top distance runner, winning every 5000m and 10,000m race. That kind of drastic improvement is what experts call an abnormal progression. He must have found a magic elixir or good training strategy or ............... You may draw your own conclusions.
Alba
#38 Posted : Wednesday, June 22, 2016 6:23:48 AM
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This pic at the 2015 world athletics championships is very telling. Genzebe had just uncorked an incredible 1:57 in the final 800m and yet she does not even look tired. Meanwhile the other athletes look so tired they can hardly walk. And Laura Muir of GB is looking at Genzebe as if she is asking "What the heck are you smoking?"

chemirocha
#39 Posted : Sunday, July 10, 2016 12:41:08 PM
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hizi mandom za kibera zinafika aje international stage ???? aiiiiish
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