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hardwood
#11 Posted : Thursday, June 09, 2016 10:08:17 AM
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mpobiz wrote:
i dont know about this. where does this road start , where does it pass through and where does it end?


This is the map of the bypass. Work has just began.
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hardwood
#12 Posted : Thursday, June 09, 2016 10:13:43 AM
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tycho wrote:
That construction has been undertaken by some 'barbaric' terms and it's good that residents filed a petition.


So you want the country to be held at ransom by squatters and slumlords on road reserves. BTW this the current state of the "proposed bypass", all muddy.
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tycho
#13 Posted : Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:31:58 PM
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@Hardwood, how does my support for application of the law translate to holding the country 'at ransom'?
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hardwood
#14 Posted : Friday, June 10, 2016 12:53:45 AM
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tycho wrote:
@Hardwood, how does my support for application of the law translate to holding the country 'at ransom'?


The law says no one should encroach on anyone's land including govt road reserves. It also says that no one should put up illegal/unapproved/unsanitary structures within the city or any other jurisdiction. You cannot purport to support an illegality. The law gives the land owner (in this case the govt) the right to develop/utilise his land in any way he deems fit. And to remove any illegal structures within their land.
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tycho
#15 Posted : Friday, June 10, 2016 3:41:18 AM
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hardwood wrote:
tycho wrote:
@Hardwood, how does my support for application of the law translate to holding the country 'at ransom'?


The law says no one should encroach on anyone's land including govt road reserves. It also says that no one should put up illegal/unapproved/unsanitary structures within the city or any other jurisdiction. You cannot purport to support an illegality. The law gives the land owner (in this case the govt) the right to develop/utilise his land in any way he deems fit. And to remove any illegal structures within their land.


In this case there are at least three reasons that would suffice to file a petition in court:

1. Contracts, rights and privileges, and exemptions to certain laws may be achieved implicitly and constructively

2. Correct interpretation of law isn't always straight forward

3. Certain interpretations of law may not optimal with respect to the welfare of the country

As such, if a party in any relationship may find such reasons to hold, then that party has right to seek legal redress. These conditions hold in this particular case and therefore my support is qualified.
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dunkang
#16 Posted : Friday, June 10, 2016 5:06:19 AM
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NKT. Kibera is GOVERNMENT land. Its not under anyone's title. I have worked there in many Water and Sanitation Projects and wonder why the residents are blocking the GoK from developing public infrastructure in its own land.

Ati compensation, to a title basi!!!!!
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masukuma
#17 Posted : Friday, June 10, 2016 8:22:14 AM
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dunkang wrote:
NKT. Kibera is GOVERNMENT land. Its not under anyone's title. I have worked there in many Water and Sanitation Projects and wonder why the residents are blocking the GoK from developing public infrastructure in its own land.

Ati compensation, to a title basi!!!!!

that is where you go wrong! just because adjudication has not happened it does not mean it' "government land". this british type thinking about the crown owning everything and we are living at it's mercy is what has made government big headed. land is a resource and belongs to the community that stays there. titles are to facilitate trading and using it as collateral first not identity. government just works to adjudicate land to facilitate owners transact with the land.
another point is citizenship! An ID is not the document that makes you a citizen but it just shows you are a registered citizen! the document is to be used to demonstrate your 'citizenship' to others who are curious about your citizenship but does not make you a citizen. Citizenship and Land ownership are not derived from the state.
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mkenyan
#18 Posted : Friday, June 10, 2016 10:14:25 AM
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masukuma wrote:
dunkang wrote:
NKT. Kibera is GOVERNMENT land. Its not under anyone's title. I have worked there in many Water and Sanitation Projects and wonder why the residents are blocking the GoK from developing public infrastructure in its own land.

Ati compensation, to a title basi!!!!!

that is where you go wrong! just because adjudication has not happened it does not mean it' "government land". this british type thinking about the crown owning everything and we are living at it's mercy is what has made government big headed. land is a resource and belongs to the community that stays there. titles are to facilitate trading and using it as collateral first not identity. government just works to adjudicate land to facilitate owners transact with the land.
another point is citizenship! An ID is not the document that makes you a citizen but it just shows you are a registered citizen! the document is to be used to demonstrate your 'citizenship' to others who are curious about your citizenship but does not make you a citizen. Citizenship and Land ownership are not derived from the state.

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hardwood
#19 Posted : Friday, July 07, 2017 4:55:07 PM
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Road nearing completion. #TanoTena
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Gathige
#20 Posted : Friday, July 07, 2017 10:42:55 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Road nearing completion. #TanoTena






Great! I normally use this link road and it is amazing it can at times take one 10 minutes to drive from Ngong road to langata road via the link. Main challenge remains the traders who operate along the road in the Kibera stretch
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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