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VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2020 2:03:06 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
rwitre wrote:
Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray

Massacre.
The market is suffering.
2020 is going to be tough for FTGH.

Are you still in this tuktuk?
Never sold them. Luckily this was one of my smaller positions so I am not particularly worried. I need to start looking at them again at the sub-2 level but I prefer my "core" holdings.

I have been transitioning a larger % into my "Core" picks. 5 comprise 85%+ of my total holdings in value.

I don't mind lower prices given there may be value if the firm is doing OK over time.
To paraphrase WB: Socks or stocks, I like them at a discount!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Kenyan Oracle
#12 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2020 2:51:08 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 5/31/2011
Posts: 262
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
rwitre wrote:
Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray

Massacre.
The market is suffering.
2020 is going to be tough for FTGH.

Are you still in this tuktuk?
Never sold them. Luckily this was one of my smaller positions so I am not particularly worried. I need to start looking at them again at the sub-2 level but I prefer my "core" holdings.

I have been transitioning a larger % into my "Core" picks. 5 comprise 85%+ of my total holdings in value.

I don't mind lower prices given there may be value if the firm is doing OK over time.
To paraphrase WB: Socks or stocks, I like them at a discount!


VVS which are your core holdings?
Care to share?
You lose money chasing women, but you never lose women chasing money - NAS
VituVingiSana
#13 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2020 3:00:03 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
Kenyan Oracle wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
rwitre wrote:
Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray

Massacre.
The market is suffering.
2020 is going to be tough for FTGH.

Are you still in this tuktuk?
Never sold them. Luckily this was one of my smaller positions so I am not particularly worried. I need to start looking at them again at the sub-2 level but I prefer my "core" holdings.

I have been transitioning a larger % into my "Core" picks. 5 comprise 85%+ of my total holdings in value.

I don't mind lower prices given there may be value if the firm is doing OK over time.
To paraphrase WB: Socks or stocks, I like them at a discount!


VVS which are your core holdings?
Care to share?
This is a FTG thread but here goes in no particular order:

Centum
Kenya Re
Banks (mid-sized I&M, NIC (now large as NCBA), DTB)
Unga

The reasons are posted elsewhere.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Kenyan Oracle
#14 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2020 3:56:07 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 5/31/2011
Posts: 262
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kenyan Oracle wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
rwitre wrote:
Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray

Massacre.
The market is suffering.
2020 is going to be tough for FTGH.

Are you still in this tuktuk?
Never sold them. Luckily this was one of my smaller positions so I am not particularly worried. I need to start looking at them again at the sub-2 level but I prefer my "core" holdings.

I have been transitioning a larger % into my "Core" picks. 5 comprise 85%+ of my total holdings in value.

I don't mind lower prices given there may be value if the firm is doing OK over time.
To paraphrase WB: Socks or stocks, I like them at a discount!


VVS which are your core holdings?
Care to share?
This is a FTG thread but here goes in no particular order:

Centum
Kenya Re
Banks (mid-sized I&M, NIC (now large as NCBA), DTB)
Unga

The reasons are posted elsewhere.


Hebu tag me on the other thread. Dont want to hijack this thread.
You lose money chasing women, but you never lose women chasing money - NAS
VituVingiSana
#15 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2020 4:35:01 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
Kenyan Oracle wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kenyan Oracle wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
rwitre wrote:
Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray

Massacre.
The market is suffering.
2020 is going to be tough for FTGH.

Are you still in this tuktuk?
Never sold them. Luckily this was one of my smaller positions so I am not particularly worried. I need to start looking at them again at the sub-2 level but I prefer my "core" holdings.

I have been transitioning a larger % into my "Core" picks. 5 comprise 85%+ of my total holdings in value.

I don't mind lower prices given there may be value if the firm is doing OK over time.
To paraphrase WB: Socks or stocks, I like them at a discount!


VVS which are your core holdings?
Care to share?
This is a FTG thread but here goes in no particular order:

Centum
Kenya Re
Banks (mid-sized I&M, NIC (now large as NCBA), DTB)
Unga

The reasons are posted elsewhere.


Hebu tag me on the other thread. Dont want to hijack this thread.
Please search. I did this in 2018 and 2019. My reasons on why. I may need to update the reasons/logic to reflect changes.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Sober
#16 Posted : Saturday, February 08, 2020 5:48:46 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 11/27/2007
Posts: 3,604
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kenyan Oracle wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kenyan Oracle wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
rwitre wrote:
Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray

Massacre.
The market is suffering.
2020 is going to be tough for FTGH.

Are you still in this tuktuk?
Never sold them. Luckily this was one of my smaller positions so I am not particularly worried. I need to start looking at them again at the sub-2 level but I prefer my "core" holdings.

I have been transitioning a larger % into my "Core" picks. 5 comprise 85%+ of my total holdings in value.

I don't mind lower prices given there may be value if the firm is doing OK over time.
To paraphrase WB: Socks or stocks, I like them at a discount!


VVS which are your core holdings?
Care to share?
This is a FTG thread but here goes in no particular order:

Centum
Kenya Re
Banks (mid-sized I&M, NIC (now large as NCBA), DTB)
Unga

The reasons are posted elsewhere.


Hebu tag me on the other thread. Dont want to hijack this thread.
Please search. I did this in 2018 and 2019. My reasons on why. I may need to update the reasons/logic to reflect changes.


Waiting to see how this turns out.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
VituVingiSana
#17 Posted : Sunday, February 09, 2020 5:45:58 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
Sober wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kenyan Oracle wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kenyan Oracle wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
rwitre wrote:
Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray

Massacre.
The market is suffering.
2020 is going to be tough for FTGH.

Are you still in this tuktuk?
Never sold them. Luckily this was one of my smaller positions so I am not particularly worried. I need to start looking at them again at the sub-2 level but I prefer my "core" holdings.

I have been transitioning a larger % into my "Core" picks. 5 comprise 85%+ of my total holdings in value.

I don't mind lower prices given there may be value if the firm is doing OK over time.
To paraphrase WB: Socks or stocks, I like them at a discount!


VVS which are your core holdings?
Care to share?
This is a FTG thread but here goes in no particular order:

Centum
Kenya Re
Banks (mid-sized I&M, NIC (now large as NCBA), DTB)
Unga

The reasons are posted elsewhere.


Hebu tag me on the other thread. Dont want to hijack this thread.
Please search. I did this in 2018 and 2019. My reasons on why. I may need to update the reasons/logic to reflect changes.


Waiting to see how this turns out.
Centum
Kenya Re
Banks (mid-sized I&M, NIC (now large as NCBA), DTB)
Unga

OR

FTGH?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#18 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2020 5:46:24 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Sober wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kenyan Oracle wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kenyan Oracle wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
rwitre wrote:
Pray Pray Pray Pray Pray

Massacre.
The market is suffering.
2020 is going to be tough for FTGH.

Are you still in this tuktuk?
Never sold them. Luckily this was one of my smaller positions so I am not particularly worried. I need to start looking at them again at the sub-2 level but I prefer my "core" holdings.

I have been transitioning a larger % into my "Core" picks. 5 comprise 85%+ of my total holdings in value.

I don't mind lower prices given there may be value if the firm is doing OK over time.
To paraphrase WB: Socks or stocks, I like them at a discount!


VVS which are your core holdings?
Care to share?
This is a FTG thread but here goes in no particular order:

Centum
Kenya Re
Banks (mid-sized I&M, NIC (now large as NCBA), DTB)
Unga

The reasons are posted elsewhere.


Hebu tag me on the other thread. Dont want to hijack this thread.
Please search. I did this in 2018 and 2019. My reasons on why. I may need to update the reasons/logic to reflect changes.


Waiting to see how this turns out.
Centum
Kenya Re
Banks (mid-sized I&M, NIC (now large as NCBA), DTB)
Unga

OR

FTGH?


Obviously FTGH.
Life is short. Live passionately.
VituVingiSana
#19 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2020 6:01:17 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
@sparkly - Manufacturing in Kenya suffered in 2019 and is still suffering. At best, I expect modest results from FTG for FY19. Nothing to write home about.

Except for "sin" manufacturing eg EABL and BAT, I don't think the other manufacturing firms (BOC, Bamburi, EAC, etc) did well in 2019.
Even the once unassailable Bamburi has been hurting.

On the other hand, at sub-2 (vs 7 at one point), perhaps FTG is well priced.

FTG's level of receivables and debt is higher than I would like but if FTG can grow the business without increasing receivables and debt then it looks more attractive.

I bought Centum at 28-35 given it looks very attractive compared to the NAV.
Kenya Re at 3/- given the low P/B and high PER.

Finally, not that it's a guarantee of success (see ARM) but the CEO owns 80%+ which is a lot of skin in the game.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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