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ecstacy wrote:If I recall correctly from media reports quoted in Israel, there is already such a programme in the implementation stage by the Kenya government following the Westgate attack.
The project was awarded late this year to a consortium headed by an Israeli firm. This consortium will run and supervise this registry for 6 years then hand over complete control to the government. The e-card that nationals receive will contain biodata such as the individual's kin, assets, bank accounts, driver's license, passport number and PIN number.
This registration will be of all Kenyan citizens at centers to be announced.
Timelines are to have the data bank by February 2015 and the government issue electronic national ID cards to all Kenyan nationals, including minors by October 2015.
This information will help in the fight against terror, help rein in tax evasion, loan defaults and help in the fight against corruption. I can't wait for this to be implemented.I have come to realise that you might know a certain person is a thug but proving it is a problem.This might solve this by following a pattern of the thugs transactions. Divers - can you laugh in scuba gear, or will you drown? I was wondering. - James May.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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alma wrote:ecstacy wrote:If I recall correctly from media reports quoted in Israel, there is already such a programme in the implementation stage by the Kenya government following the Westgate attack.
The project was awarded late this year to a consortium headed by an Israeli firm. This consortium will run and supervise this registry for 6 years then hand over complete control to the government. The e-card that nationals receive will contain biodata such as the individual's kin, assets, bank accounts, driver's license, passport number and PIN number.
This registration will be of all Kenyan citizens at centers to be announced.
Timelines are to have the data bank by February 2015 and the government issue electronic national ID cards to all Kenyan nationals, including minors by October 2015.
This information will help in the fight against terror, help rein in tax evasion, loan defaults and help in the fight against corruption. @ecstacy you will be surprised to hear that I totally hate this biodata nonsense. Just read what maichblack has said and compare. I know it looks the same but it isn't. Biodata and I'm sure Tycho will agree with me is the begining of the end to personal freedoms. I personally will not give any gov't my dna....that I promise you. Nitahama TZedi. My biodata is my property and I can't hand it over to gov't. @ecstacy, can you imagine Rairaaa wins in 2017 by a fluke and he holds your dna? I'm talking about an identity number similar to what's used in USA, Canada, Uk and the rest of the world. That is enough without infringing on my rights. If you want a job, what's your ssn? Then a centralised place for the information. Note please for people like me and Ngong who care about privacy. The SSN number is there and available for specific purposes not to be used like a rungu to finish Muslims or "terrorists". The defination of terrorists changes with the gov't of the day. If want to get house, my potential landlord has information from my ssn on my last rent bill paid....Not everything like where I spent last friday at..... What this gov't is proposing is worse than colonialism and Kenyans died for it. An SSN doesn't infringe on my rights. Works better than nyumba kumi. And Actually works as maichblack has explained. Sometimes the simple solutions work better than trying to make everyone a spy. Of what use is the number if you do not have investments in the citizens database and synchronized monitoring systems? The countries you refer to have made these investments and already collect this information from you with AND WITHOUT your consent. Be glad at least here you are being asked for it. It will still be collected regardless.. Freshen up on activities of the NSA and it's hold on the US State and all major corporations operating in it regardless of how you, they or even President Obama himself feels..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Technology and even more, digital technology can't reduce crime and terrorism. In the next few years terrorists may be more tech savvy than governments and even more moneyed, and it will be difficult for such measures as proposed here to suffice.
Perhaps we should also admit that thugs and terrorists are more intelligent than the average law abiding citizen.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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MaichBlack wrote:Ngong wrote:How will a simple social number help identify us unlike ID? There is an exciting field in IT called Business Analytics or Business Intelligence. You use different techniques to discover insights from 'big data'. With unique identification numbers that you use everywhere even when buying airtime and chewing gum and which are associated with everything including your sim card, we can technologically discover patterns that place certain people around certain types of crimes and we can even predict who the criminals are and where they might strike next even without ever meeting them. Google 'Business Analytics', 'Business Intelligence', 'Business Analytics and Security' etc. Exciting field. SSN type of numbers would go a long way in security enhancement. We could even map huge ' abnormal' expenses or bank deposits to certain crimes - like every time there is a murder in Gachie, mawinder's SSN experiences a spike in expenditure. Or a certain group of people when together - as per the location of their sim cards we normally experience a car/matatu Jerking. Or when a certain group of people have their sim cards not in motion out of the ordinary - probably left at home to avoid detection - a crime happens. And this are just simple examples. It gets more interesting!  If we are using the business analysis in businesses why cant we the same concept in security.In the supermarkets for instance customers have loyalty cards.We can study the behavior of the customers through these loyalty cards.You can identify the status of a customer through the items a customer selects.We are able to identify that a certain customer is pregnant and therefore customize the advertisements that you send to her such as baby cots,baby cloths etc.As to whether this is ethical or not it is a different discussion. This concept has been used over the years by the banks where they monitor the spending habits of customers and then call them to offer them loans. Investing all the money in equipment without investing in people will be futile.The government needs a department with highly skilled analysts for monitoring and profiling. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:Technology and even more, digital technology can't reduce crime and terrorism. In the next few years terrorists may be more tech savvy than governments and even more moneyed, and it will be difficult for such measures as proposed here to suffice.
Perhaps we should also admit that thugs and terrorists are more intelligent than the average law abiding citizen. Die Hard 4... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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@Alma, how different would the SSN from the proposed digital IDs that are to be rolled out next year? DIGITAL IDs coming in FEB Next year. Will the promise be kept?but which, if I remember well, many Wazuans said is not a priority?
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 3/10/2014 Posts: 78
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PeterReborn wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Ngong wrote:How will a simple social number help identify us unlike ID? There is an exciting field in IT called Business Analytics or Business Intelligence. You use different techniques to discover insights from 'big data'. With unique identification numbers that you use everywhere even when buying airtime and chewing gum and which are associated with everything including your sim card, we can technologically discover patterns that place certain people around certain types of crimes and we can even predict who the criminals are and where they might strike next even without ever meeting them. Google 'Business Analytics', 'Business Intelligence', 'Business Analytics and Security' etc. Exciting field. SSN type of numbers would go a long way in security enhancement. We could even map huge ' abnormal' expenses or bank deposits to certain crimes - like every time there is a murder in Gachie, mawinder's SSN experiences a spike in expenditure. Or a certain group of people when together - as per the location of their sim cards we normally experience a car/matatu Jerking. Or when a certain group of people have their sim cards not in motion out of the ordinary - probably left at home to avoid detection - a crime happens. And this are just simple examples. It gets more interesting! If we are using the business analysis in businesses why cant we the same concept in security.In the supermarkets for instance customers have loyalty cards.We can study the behavior of the customers through these loyalty cards.You can identify the status of a customer through the items a customer selects.We are able to identify that a certain customer is pregnant and therefore customize the advertisements that you send to her such as baby cots,baby cloths etc.As to whether this is ethical or not it is a different discussion. This concept has been used over the years by the banks where they monitor the spending habits of customers and then call them to offer them loans. Investing all the money in equipment without investing in people will be futile.The government needs a department with highly skilled analysts for monitoring and profiling. Very true, banks profile and give you loans and other services accordingly, that's why they ask you things such as are you married, how many kids, age etc. From that they tell you are best suited for this or that product. When we have lots of government and non government info interconnected, then analytics and intelligence will work.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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'Terrorism' is used world over to further infringe on citizenry privacy....as we rush headlong into the beast ION #FAXEshouldbebanned.. I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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tycho wrote:Technology and even more, digital technology can't reduce crime and terrorism. In the next few years terrorists may be more tech savvy than governments and even more moneyed, and it will be difficult for such measures as proposed here to suffice.
Perhaps we should also admit that thugs and terrorists are more intelligent than the average law abiding citizen. Terrorists and thugs are already more tech savvy than the government.By the way why do the police still use those black books? If the terrorists and thugs are using technology to advance their agenda why cant the government do the same? A friend of mine was conned by an estate agent in kahawa.When we went to the police and gave the description,the police knew the guy and where he hangs out.The guy was arrested a few days later.If we had gone to another police station like Kasarani would the police have known the guy and that the guy is a repeat offender? The first thing the government needs to do is to automate all the information and put it in a central location for access by other officer based on their user rights.This will make it easy for data warehousing and data mining. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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The concept of SSN and digital Ids is the same.The question is what are we using these digital IDs for? The digital Ids will provide a primary key.This is a unique identifier that will identify the citizens.You can easily flag the activities of a citizen based on these activities. We have made progress especially in the financial sector through the use of the PIN numbers. The reason why the guys who failed to pay Mshwari loans have been blacklisted and will not access loans from any other financial institution including saccos is due to the sharing of information and having a centralised database. Consistency is better than intensity
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