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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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kysse wrote:I have read stuff which have made me realise that our beloved Kenya is no longer what I used to think it was.
It's not politics or terrorism that will take Kenya to the gutter but deep tribal hatred...
When we pray and propagate hatred at the same time the prayers become null and void and God turns the other way leaving us to our own greed.
Where can an ordinary citizen find some fresh breathe of air?
Where is the voice of the church? I guess they are busy hating on each other as well.
...Kenyans have sunk to a high low,it's such a pity and shame. Whatever the outcome,it will be remembered for a long time to come. I'm glad to see @kysse, who previously had misconceptions and mistaken bitterness her heart working on the mindset for the sake of our country  Previously:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:tycho wrote:harrydre wrote:
The govt should create a secret security agency that is empowered to search and destroy suspected terrorists plotting.
When the government conducts extra judicial killings, who will care about the courts, and the law? It will no longer be 'government'. Such thinking may end up creating opposite extremes like 'Al Shabaab'. In short,we need terrorists to deal with terrorists after all dawa ya moto ni moto. Problem is you'll end up being a terrorist and will be dealt with like a terrorist by your fellow terrorists. But yes, terrorism will lose it's strength over you. Only now you'll be scarcely human. And the world will be hell. Some more: quicksand wrote:kysse wrote:...This is unacceptable and a direct attack.
@Serikali,do you want kenyans to take the law into their own hands and retaliate?
If you don't tame and throw them out,the citizens will.
We are fed up. This would be extremely dangerous...it is exactly what Shabaab wants people to do. Not able to get hold of guilty culprits, an angry Christian population will lash out violently at Muslims, most of whom have nothing to do with it and just want to live in peace. ...@alphdoti is right when he says dont be quick to point fingers...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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maka wrote: The best thing that my old man ever did is not to force me to learn how to speak my mother tongue I never speak a single word of it and am totally ok with it...my kids will never learn it and their kids kids... so being ignorant of your mother tongue makes you non-tribal? I have met many tribalists who have scant knowledge of their language!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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Lolest! wrote:maka wrote: The best thing that my old man ever did is not to force me to learn how to speak my mother tongue I never speak a single word of it and am totally ok with it...my kids will never learn it and their kids kids... so being ignorant of your mother tongue makes you non-tribal? I have met many tribalists who have scant knowledge of their language! Bigotry runs deeper than speech Mr Maka Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:We're being terrorized.We need courage to face ourselves,our enemies and implement solutions. We are being terrorized? "Terrorizm" iz a political term created to create political factz and political realitiez. Fear,denial and anger.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:We're being terrorized.We need courage to face ourselves,our enemies and implement solutions. We are being terrorized? "Terrorizm" iz a political term created to create political factz and political realitiez. Fear,denial and anger. Why are we being terrorized @symbols?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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FEAR The dominant and most destructive emotion being stoked in all these threads. No amount of analysis and sense can contend with the fires of emotion. Because of reading through these threads, most of you will have a strangely different facial expression and tone of voice when talking to your neighbor or colleague now turned into an 'enemy sympathizer', the object of your fear. That is why the fruit of fear is always senseless, cowardly, irrational words, thoughts and actions. Unfortunately, it is a reliable emotion, readily available from you to those to whom you pay homage, who use it to manipulate you for their own ends. Fear begets Fear No winners.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:
FEAR
The dominant and most destructive emotion being stoked in all these threads.
No amount of analysis and sense can contend with the fires of emotion.
Because of reading through these threads, most of you will have a strangely different facial expression and tone of voice when talking to your neighbor or colleague now turned into an 'enemy sympathizer', the object of your fear.
That is why the fruit of fear is always senseless, cowardly, irrational words, thoughts and actions.
Unfortunately, it is a reliable emotion, readily available from you to those to whom you pay homage, who use it to manipulate you for their own ends.
Fear begets Fear
No winners.
And why does Man experience fear? Because his knowledge isn't complete. He has no reassurance of his place, identity, his consciousness. He can't love, not just his neighbor, but his self. Negative ethnicity is a reflection of what's happening deep in our souls. But knowledge can be complete, and therein is love also complete. And perfect love casteth out fear.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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To answer the question of the thread starter... The solution is and has always been LOVE. The more excellent way. I may have digressed in this thread in terms of mood / tone but not in truth.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:
FEAR
The dominant and most destructive emotion being stoked in all these threads.
No amount of analysis and sense can contend with the fires of emotion.
Because of reading through these threads, most of you will have a strangely different facial expression and tone of voice when talking to your neighbor or colleague now turned into an 'enemy sympathizer', the object of your fear.
That is why the fruit of fear is always senseless, cowardly, irrational words, thoughts and actions.
Unfortunately, it is a reliable emotion, readily available from you to those to whom you pay homage, who use it to manipulate you for their own ends.
Fear begets Fear
No winners.
And why does Man experience fear? Because his knowledge isn't complete. He has no reassurance of his place, identity, his consciousness. He can't love, not just his neighbor, but his self. Negative ethnicity is a reflection of what's happening deep in our souls. But knowledge can be complete, and therein is love also complete. And perfect love casteth out fear. I concur  Exactly where (in history) humanity moved from love to fear is the subject of another thread.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Mtu Biz wrote:To answer the question of the thread starter...
The solution is and has always been LOVE.
The more excellent way.
I may have digressed in this thread in terms of mood / tone but not in truth.
Hence you are on track.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:We're being terrorized.We need courage to face ourselves,our enemies and implement solutions. We are being terrorized? "Terrorizm" iz a political term created to create political factz and political realitiez. Fear,denial and anger. Why are we being terrorized @symbols? The 'roaring lion' at work.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:We're being terrorized.We need courage to face ourselves,our enemies and implement solutions. We are being terrorized? "Terrorizm" iz a political term created to create political factz and political realitiez. Fear,denial and anger. Why are we being terrorized @symbols? The 'roaring lion' at work. I don't think this answer is adequate @symbols. For example, I understand the 'roaring lion', as 'the devil'. If am right, then how would other people who don't have the devil in their worldview understand the terror? If there's no consensus on why we're being terrorized then terror is apt to escalate.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:We're being terrorized.We need courage to face ourselves,our enemies and implement solutions. We are being terrorized? "Terrorizm" iz a political term created to create political factz and political realitiez. Fear,denial and anger. Why are we being terrorized @symbols? The 'roaring lion' at work. I don't think this answer is adequate @symbols. For example, I understand the 'roaring lion', as 'the devil'. If am right, then how would other people who don't have the devil in their worldview understand the terror? If there's no consensus on why we're being terrorized then terror is apt to escalate. Does the answer have to be adequate? Ok.Geopolitics,resources and the war machine.Nothing is 'local' anymore when the world is interdependent.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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From Jomo to Uhuru: How Kenya lost the battle for securityInteresting article by Mr. Ndii Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Unfortunately he hasn't gone far back enough. This game was solidified at the Berlin conference. Kenya as a political system with salient global implications was designed and her trajectory decided. That's where our problems started, and not even 'independence' could change our course. We can say anything we wish, but if we don't look as far back, then all we'll have is noise and desperation.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:Unfortunately he hasn't gone far back enough. This game was solidified at the Berlin conference. Kenya as a political system with salient global implications was designed and her trajectory decided. That's where our problems started, and not even 'independence' could change our course. We can say anything we wish, but if we don't look as far back, then all we'll have is noise and desperation. How far back can we go without encountering the negative aspects of human nature expressing themselves within the systems,environment and advancements of the day?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tycho wrote:Unfortunately he hasn't gone far back enough. This game was solidified at the Berlin conference. Kenya as a political system with salient global implications was designed and her trajectory decided. That's where our problems started, and not even 'independence' could change our course. We can say anything we wish, but if we don't look as far back, then all we'll have is noise and desperation. Indeed people migrated freely before without much ado. Why so much hatred now? Our problems did not start in 1963..no "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Unfortunately he hasn't gone far back enough. This game was solidified at the Berlin conference. Kenya as a political system with salient global implications was designed and her trajectory decided. That's where our problems started, and not even 'independence' could change our course. We can say anything we wish, but if we don't look as far back, then all we'll have is noise and desperation. How far back can we go without encountering the negative aspects of human nature expressing themselves within the systems,environment and advancements of the day? As long as humanity has existed, and humanity exists, there'll always be good and evil.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Unfortunately he hasn't gone far back enough. This game was solidified at the Berlin conference. Kenya as a political system with salient global implications was designed and her trajectory decided. That's where our problems started, and not even 'independence' could change our course. We can say anything we wish, but if we don't look as far back, then all we'll have is noise and desperation. How far back can we go without encountering the negative aspects of human nature expressing themselves within the systems,environment and advancements of the day? As long as humanity has existed, and humanity exists, there'll always be good and evil. Like past and future generations,the question remains the same,which wolf are we feeding.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:Unfortunately he hasn't gone far back enough. This game was solidified at the Berlin conference. Kenya as a political system with salient global implications was designed and her trajectory decided. That's where our problems started, and not even 'independence' could change our course. We can say anything we wish, but if we don't look as far back, then all we'll have is noise and desperation. How far back can we go without encountering the negative aspects of human nature expressing themselves within the systems,environment and advancements of the day? As long as humanity has existed, and humanity exists, there'll always be good and evil. Like past and future generations,the question remains the same,which wolf are we feeding. Yet evil can be defeated. The wolf doesn't have to be fed.
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