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Rutos utterances on war against terrorism!
B.Timer
#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 5:18:57 PM
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keraka wrote:
B.Timer wrote:

To detain the suspects, Judges need a reference in law.
If we desire such a situation as a country, lets have the law say so.

In the absence of such, we shouldnt demand or expect our Judges to carry out business outside the law!



Note that as much as all offences are currently bailable in Kenya.The constitution envisages judicial discretion on each case on its own merits hence variously guys thought to have committed capital offences have been denied bail on various reasons such as interference with witnesses,fleeing,committing other crimes etc.We have hundreds of judicial authorities n precedents on this.Problem is we have a judiciary which does not want to think outside the box in interrogating the thinking of the drafters of the constitution.




A few years back during Kibakis reign, Kenya in collaboration with the US, thought and attempted to put in a place an effective anti-terrorism legislation.
At the behest of and clamour by the usual "suspects" that effort was shelved even though the matter had advanced considerably through our systems.

Issues of religious profiling, clamp down on our people, oh this is a foreign sponsored law championed by the enemies of our religion etc

Remember that!

Obviously it was meant to fill a certain gap.

If the gap can be filled otherwise, making the envisaged law unnecessary, so be it.
But I am not sold out!

Dunia ni msongamano..
streetwise
#12 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 5:31:32 PM
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Agreed we shot the law down..
mkenyan
#13 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 5:45:28 PM
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keraka wrote:
B.Timer wrote:

To detain the suspects, Judges need a reference in law.
If we desire such a situation as a country, lets have the law say so.

In the absence of such, we shouldnt demand or expect our Judges to carry out business outside the law!



Note that as much as all offences are currently bailable in Kenya.The constitution envisages judicial discretion on each case on its own merits hence variously guys thought to have committed capital offences have been denied bail on various reasons such as interference with witnesses,fleeing,committing other crimes etc.We have hundreds of judicial authorities n precedents on this.Problem is we have a judiciary which does not want to think outside the box in interrogating the thinking of the drafters of the constitution.



have you looked into the cases where suspects were released on bail and come to the conclusion that the bail terms were wrong and hence you put the blame on the judiciary? it is upon the prosecution and the investigating officers to show the judiciary why bail cannot be granted.

because, remember that all these are merely suspects and they are presumed innocent unless proven guilty - a fact that our president and his deputy (who ironically is blaming the courts for granting bail to suspects - maybe he should go and reside at the hague or whenever they put up suspects till his case is determined) are beneficiaries of.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#14 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 6:09:21 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
B.Timer wrote:

To detain the suspects, Judges need a reference in law.
If we desire such a situation as a country, lets have the law say so.

In the absence of such, we shouldnt demand or expect our Judges to carry out business outside the law!




I looked at the Prevention of Terrorism Act and must say that law is a piece of jokes..d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! .I withdraw and apologize. With this kind of law al-shetains must be rolling on the ground

Quote:
Section 4.
Commission of a terrorist act
(1)A person who carries out a terrorist act commits an offence and is liable, on conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding thirty years.
(2)Where a person carries out a terrorist act which results in the death of another person, such person is liable, on conviction, to imprisonment for life.


Quote:
A person arrested under section 24 (referred to as the suspect) shall not be held for more than twenty-four hours after his arrest unless—
(a)the suspect is produced before a Court and the Court has ordered that the suspect be remanded in custody; or
(b)the twenty-four hours ends outside ordinary court hours or on a day that is not an ordinary court day.
(2)A police officer holding a suspect under subsection (1) may release that suspect at any time before the expiry of twenty-four hours on condition that the suspect appears before the Court or such other place as may be specified, in writing, by the police officer and may, for this purpose, require the suspect to execute a bond of a reasonable sum on the suspect’s own recognizance.
(3)A police officer shall not re-arrest a suspect who is released under subsection (2) for the same offence unless—
(a)he has applied for, and obtained a warrant of arrest; and
(b)further evidence has come to light justifying the re-arrest of the suspect.


@Mkonotupu, the provisions of the law as you have quoted look adequate to me, what else do you want included.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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