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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,885
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mkeiy wrote:I thought the cry all along has been public commuter services should not be left in the hands of private operators?
Why give matatu owner an option to buy shares? If its shares they want, NSE is open for business. How does a matatu owner shares in the council bus company help the jobless driver/tout?
For there to be redefined routes as KBS used to operate, you need one player who will just do that,the council buses. Wasn't CCN part of the original, well run Kenya bus? Then why can't the current county gov't go back to that tested plan?
With mode of payment moving to cards, what we need in place is a system which allows for a seamless connection. If you connect from one route to another within specified period of time, you pay some percentage to the first bus and some lesser percentage of the second route and very minimal to the third. That way, the overall fare is lesser than paying for each connecting route separately. Such a system can ONLY work well if the players cooperate. Trust you me, under the current system [man eat everything], the second and the third bus on the above connections will not be that cooperative.
This monkey biz of wanting everyone to own a bus company, where has it worked well in the world? We have all sorts of buses with all sorts of colors on our roads. In places where urban public commuter service works well, you hardly have more than 3 companies.
If this one works out well, it will be a master stroke.
Change of mentality is called for here. well said. only prayer is that it is well managed. kidero's handling of the county so far does not feel me with much optimism though.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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It is a good idea worthy of the county. If it is designed well to complement the matatus, it can work. The key thing is to get the management right, CCN has done it before and it used to work with the municipal (muthuvari) buses of the 70's, 80's.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Gathige wrote:The County Government has no business in buying buses as they lack the management skills to manage them. Let them invest in roads , decent bus terminus, de-congest the city roads etc and private investors will bring in buses. There is a time the govt tried with Nyayo bus and it was a disaster. The govt should never buy buses to get into transport business but rather should ensure there is the right infrastructure and guidelines for the private operators. I was looking at one of the successful urban transport systems, the London Bus transport system, and i don't think that can work here since with the current corruption, millions will be paid to ghost transporters. It is interesting to note that 'London local govt' doesn't own any buses but tenders bus routes to private companies who provide the buses and drivers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_BusesQuote:London Buses is the subsidiary of Transport for London (TfL) that manages bus services within Greater London, England. Buses are required to carry similar red colour schemes and conform to the same fare scheme. All services are provided by private sector operators.
All bus operations are undertaken under a tendering system in which operators bid for routes in return for a set price per route operated. Bus routes run for approximately 5 years before being re-tendered.[3] Routes are set up, controlled and tendered out by TfL and they provide day to day assistance via CentreComm which coordinates a large scale network of Network Traffic Controllers to help with any traffic issues that may occur. Operators provide staff to drive the buses, provide the buses to operate and also adhere to set TfL guidelines. Operators are then in return paid per mile that each bus runs, the pricing is announced on new tenders.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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majimaji wrote: It is a good idea worthy of the county. If it is designed well to complement the matatus, it can work. The key thing is to get the management right, CCN has done it before and it used to work with the municipal (muthuvari) buses of the 70's, 80's.
The buses were being run by a British company Stagecoach which owned 75% shares in Kenya Bus while kanjo owned 25%. There is no way kanjo can run a bus company alone. Theres so much corruption.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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washiku wrote:MKWASI wrote:It is a noble idea. My only worry is the existing matatu investors. How are they going to phase them. Will it be gradually or how? Perhaps they should have invited the matatu investors to own shares in the new entity that would own the buses. Do they want to chase away private investors or to operate in parallel? I would prefer the private investors to be chased away...if only to restore sanity in this industry and demand accountability...Public transport managed by the government is usually efficient, and on a different note, mini buses would be better than 14-seater matatu to reduce on traffic...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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nostoppingthis wrote:washiku wrote:MKWASI wrote:It is a noble idea. My only worry is the existing matatu investors. How are they going to phase them. Will it be gradually or how? Perhaps they should have invited the matatu investors to own shares in the new entity that would own the buses. Do they want to chase away private investors or to operate in parallel? I would prefer the private investors to be chased away...if only to restore sanity in this industry and demand accountability...Public transport managed by the government is usually efficient, and on a different note, mini buses would be better than 14-seater matatu to reduce on traffic... it's fine for gava to have a foot in the game to bring sanity. you either regulate all the way to price level or have a player that forces things to be sane. Having public transport in the hands of only private people is a bad idea... mvua ikinyesha tu hivi! fare inapanda ni kama the conductor was doing us a favour bringing the rain. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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jaggernaut wrote:majimaji wrote: It is a good idea worthy of the county. If it is designed well to complement the matatus, it can work. The key thing is to get the management right, CCN has done it before and it used to work with the municipal (muthuvari) buses of the 70's, 80's.
The buses were being run by a British company Stagecoach which owned 75% shares in Kenya Bus while kanjo owned 25%. There is no way kanjo can run a bus company alone. Theres so much corruption. Isokei. They (County) can have a stake in a company and even invite the public to buy shares like in KQ. Fact is, the way we transport ourselves to work is chaotic and we need to reform city transportation. If Nairobians are assured of clean, safe and reliable transportation, we will gladly park the mitumba cars and take the bus to work.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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If county govt is unable to collect garbage, seal potholes, collect parking fees, market fees etc, how is it capable of running a bus service? I think Kidero & Co. are eying the 10% kickback from purchase of the 200 buses....and also employing their kin as drivers and conductors.
Also do you expect a kanjo employee (driver/conductor) who is awaiting his payslip at the end of the month to provide a better service than a private operator who solely relies on his bus/matatu for existence?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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majimaji wrote:jaggernaut wrote:majimaji wrote: It is a good idea worthy of the county. If it is designed well to complement the matatus, it can work. The key thing is to get the management right, CCN has done it before and it used to work with the municipal (muthuvari) buses of the 70's, 80's.
The buses were being run by a British company Stagecoach which owned 75% shares in Kenya Bus while kanjo owned 25%. There is no way kanjo can run a bus company alone. Theres so much corruption. Isokei. They (County) can have a stake in a company and even invite the public to buy shares like in KQ. Fact is, the way we transport ourselves to work is chaotic and we need to reform city transportation. If Nairobians are assured of clean, safe and reliable transportation, we will gladly park the mitumba cars and take the bus to work. I think the govt is moving in the right direction i.e that of TLB only licensing saccos (aka companies) on specific routes and these saccos are supposed to adhere to stringent regulations including speed governors, seat belts, drivers, conductors etc. And the sacco is punished as a whole when any one of its members breaks the rules/causes accidents. That helps promote self regulation and discipline within the saccos. The govt (county or national) should never be in business, rather it should provide infrastructure and the regulatory framework.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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Why is all work in CBD,we should be given a money allowance for staying away from the CBD!
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