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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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african coloner wrote:The contractor did a brilliant job but the designers never thought of joining the highway from service lane or exiting the highway to service lane. There must be enough space to accelerate before joining the highway. I find it quite a task to join the service lane from the highway to your left driving a right handed vehicle with not enough room to slow down and check for oncoming traffic....or maybe its just me..
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I adore the Autobahn. Wish that one day Kenya will have such a network... Oil $ The lack of professionalism has caused the country to develop in slow-motion. Besides infrastructure, there are serious problems in other areas such as in education & health care. Right now VAT has been introduced to some goods / services to raise cash, while billions cannot be accounted for, why not give folk a break and first work on sealing the loop holes? The lost cash was about 30% percent of 2011 / 2012 budget, since the budget was about KSh 1.155 trillion. What will happen when the oil revenue starts flowing? More cash unaccounted for? Transparency systems need to be put in place, so that money cannot just "get lost", but whoever would try to cause the money to "get lost" would face the law. Regarding development, Kenya could have been far if everybody just did their job, but now, we need radical changes in the way things are done, this is in order to make up for the lost development opportunities. Time to see things objectively. They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/5/2008 Posts: 602
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a4architect.com wrote:bkismat wrote:a4architect.com wrote:Chaka wrote:a4architect.com wrote:@chaka, its not the kenyan engineers who designed the road. its an indian engineering consultancy firm.
For kenyan engineers to alter the design, the contract btn kenya and the indian engineers need to be altered. @4Arch, What you are saying is that for these kinds of projects the "client: i.e Kenya Government cannot make any recommendations before project rollout? the client i.e Kenya is represented by ps ministry of roads. His office should have seen this and pointed out to the consultants to amend design but it looks like the design phase was not properly taken care of. The experience of the engineering consultancy should be able toiron out these issues. Looks like the vetting process for consultancy didnt get the best engineers. The indians maybe did not have experience with such projects. The chinese contractors, hovewer, did a perfect job . The reason kenya was using international consultants is coz we dont have engineers with such experience so we cnt fault ps ministry of roads for not seeing this. We can fault the selection process since they should have given us engineers with previous experience on such roads. @a4arch who were the consultant? All my searches show mostly the Chinese Contractors but are silent on the Consultants. @bkismat.. the consultants are from India. I cant remember the name but i have seen their contract documents. It was a joint venture between APEC Consultants( kenyan firm) and CES( consulting Engineering services). On experience, the lead engineers are very experienced. the first C.R.E( chief resident engineer-resigned on health grounds was a very experienced Sikh. forgive me i forget his name. I'll post as soon as i recall it.) was a very experienced engineer, having worked on such road projects in india, Malaysia and brazil. he was replaced by Engineer Ramesh Hari, as C.R.E. and Eng sateesh who was the planning Engineer. Both gentlemen have handled big projects in india, madagascar and south Africa ( i think). as to whether they could have done a better job in the design, .... "The chief danger in life is that you may take too many precautions" - Alfred adler
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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Quote:@bkismat..[b]the consultants are from India. I cant remember the name but i have seen their contract documents.
It was a joint venture between APEC Consultants( kenyan firm) and CES( consulting Engineering services).
On experience, the lead engineers are very experienced.
the first C.R.E( chief resident engineer-resigned on health grounds was a very experienced Sikh. forgive me i forget his name. I'll post as soon as i recall it.) was a very experienced engineer, having worked on such road projects in india, Malaysia and brazil.
he was replaced by Engineer Ramesh Hari, as C.R.E. and Eng sateesh who was the planning Engineer. Both gentlemen have handled big projects in india, madagascar and south Africa ( i think).
as to whether they could have done a better job in the design, .... This is how indian road engineers design their roads. Same applies to Thika road design.https://www.facebook.com...eo.php?v=215653181793233As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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[quote=a4architect.com] Quote:@bkismat..[b]the consultants are from India. I cant remember the name but i have seen their contract documents.
It was a joint venture between APEC Consultants( kenyan firm) and CES( consulting Engineering services).
On experience, the lead engineers are very experienced.
the first C.R.E( chief resident engineer-resigned on health grounds was a very experienced Sikh. forgive me i forget his name. I'll post as soon as i recall it.) was a very experienced engineer, having worked on such road projects in india, Malaysia and brazil.
he was replaced by Engineer Ramesh Hari, as C.R.E. and Eng sateesh who was the planning Engineer. Both gentlemen have handled big projects in india, madagascar and south Africa ( i think).
as to whether they could have done a better job in the design, .... This is how indian road engineers design their roads. Same applies to Thika road design.https://www.facebook.com...o.php?v=215653181793233[/quote] OMG!!! How many people die in that intersection daily? It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@bkismat..just used Thika road near museum hill, pattnis casino area. A very similar situation happens where cars coming from westlands criss cross cars going to K1 ojijo road. Looks like this is how indian engineers design roads.  As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Thika Road was complicated by presence of numerous services along the road and lack of enough space to expand. Consequently a lot of detailed designed and re-design happened during construction stage due to prevailing site conditions. Let us not just blame Indian engineers. They would give a different tale if you asked them.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@limanika, watch this video https://www.facebook.com...o.php?v=215653181793233[Am sure you have used Thika road especially the area around muthithi road near museum hill. There is no shortage of space as such or any presence of service lines. I deal with design so i know these things. A design that is not well criticized during initial design stages usually has such flaws here and there. These flaws can be ironed out through retendering the project for design again at these areas with problems. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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[quote=a4architect.com] Quote:@bkismat..the consultants are from India. I cant remember the name but i have seen their contract documents.
It was a joint venture between APEC Consultants( kenyan firm) and CES( consulting Engineering services).
On experience, the lead engineers are very experienced.
the first C.R.E( chief resident engineer-resigned on health grounds was a very experienced Sikh. forgive me i forget his name. I'll post as soon as i recall it.) was a very experienced engineer, having worked on such road projects in india, Malaysia and brazil.
he was replaced by Engineer Ramesh Hari, as C.R.E. and Eng sateesh who was the planning Engineer. Both gentlemen have handled big projects in india, madagascar and south Africa ( i think).
as to whether they could have done a better job in the design, .... This is how indian road engineers design their roads. Same applies to Thika road design.[b]
https://www.facebook.com...o.php?v=215653181793233[/quote]@A4A, That clip has made my day. No wonder Indians are great mathematicians. To pull such moves on the road, one has to apply Pythogram Theorem, 3PieR2, calculate speed of oncoming vehicles, tuk-tuks and pedestrians. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@gathige...lol....very funny video..lakini this is kind of an exaggerated thika road at the entry/exit points As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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a4architect.com wrote:@limanika, watch this video https://www.facebook.com...o.php?v=215653181793233[Am sure you have used Thika road especially the area around muthithi road near museum hill. There is no shortage of space as such or any presence of service lines. I deal with design so i know these things. A design that is not well criticized during initial design stages usually has such flaws here and there. These flaws can be ironed out through retendering the project for design again at these areas with problems. Understood but any adjacent space belongs to someone. Whereas anyone can design a perfect road in the middle of Sahara desert where land is cheap, and there is no shortage of space, Thika Road was just a complex case. There were political issues at play, don’t ask me to explain. I believe the engineers did the best under the circumstances. I Consider Thika Road to be better than sections of Waiyaki Way and Mombasa Road
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@limanika. The thika road engineers did a good job but their flaws are unlike any that we have seen with kenyan engineers. I have only seen such flaws in indian roads in the video https://www.facebook.com...o.php?v=215653181793233[Kenya has a compulsory acqusistion law that is to be used when govt needs more land for services. The only mistake i have seen with thika road is the design such that cars can interveave each other as seen near muthithi road/museum hill which will cause alot of serious accidents in future. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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a4architect.com wrote:@limanika. The thika road engineers did a good job but their flaws are unlike any that we have seen with kenyan engineers. I have only seen such flaws in indian roads in the video https://www.facebook.com...o.php?v=215653181793233[Kenya has a compulsory acqusistion law that is to be used when govt needs more land for services. The only mistake i have seen with thika road is the design such that cars can interveave each other as seen near muthithi road/museum hill which will cause alot of serious accidents in future. What you are calling a design flaw can be corrected very easily- just block cars from one direction so they have to drive longer before joining the highway. If this is done, believe you me some other Kenyans will be up in arms the following day.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@limanika..good point. Kenyan road engineers need to effect this design change ASAP since its causing unnecessary deaths on the daily. People wont mind travelling for a short distance if it will save their lives eg around museum hill. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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