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Westgate aftermath – What to do
Much Know
#11 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:52:47 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Magigi wrote:
We should do nothing! What did we do after that accident at Mahi Mahiu - Narok road and almost the same number of people perished? Let us move on>>


We should have blood and MPesa drives each time we are affected as a nation, remember 'When our 40 soldiers were killed in baragoi, When the poor kenyans died in city to city bus, When the suffering kenyans died in sinai fire, When the poor died in sachangwan fire......we didn't have such massive drives for help!!!

So is it a problem that we are finally beginning to get massive drives for help? I think the spirit of the nation/togetherness rather than division was continuously fostered and this are the fruits, surely we need to support and move on from there not keep looking so far backwards, as if we wear goggle in reverse?
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Bigchick
#12 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:54:30 PM
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No more parking kwa basement/underground.Even pre Westgate I had phobia that was born of imaginations of fire or flooding.

We should create parking bays far from buildings where people park and walk to wherever they are going.Or have courtesy vans to drop them.

All cargo to buildings must be checked before its taken in.

VIPs to get private guards wawachane na police force na APs wahudumie raia

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:56:41 PM
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KDF should move to Eastleigh and comb the place door to door for illegal immigrants and weapons.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 5:56:56 PM
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pleasecallme wrote:
Support 100% -> One MP suggesting major empowerment & funding of institutions like red cross, other than pumping money to disaster management/special programmes ministries for which we don't see their input at times like this.


of all the debe noise being made, this is actually a good idea. it can even be expanded by to include fire response units.
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limanika
#15 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:01:23 PM
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Gun detection technology needs to move a notch higher, and some attempts are being made here:
http://www.huffingtonpos...n-device_n_1213813.html

In retrospect, Westgate was a soft target since the main entrance opened directly to a busy street, and it was much easier for the thugs to just storm inside and wreck havoc.
For major buildings, it makes sense for visitors to pass through a barrier and then have to drive / walk some distance before reaching main entrance. Soon we will need someone to develop a device with gun detector and install at such barriers, such that when gun is detected in your car / clothing, the barrier locks automatically and you cannot proceed. Can Kenya lead the world in developing a technology along these lines?
Kaigangio
#16 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:08:23 PM
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We are just being complicated for nothing and the suggestions would not yield much fruit...

Let us start from our own backyard and estates...

Then overhauling of the entire police force and retraining them. Here the government should sack any policeman found taking a bribe...

After that we go to the immigration and do a similar thing...
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
Much Know
#17 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:16:30 PM
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ZZE123 wrote:
KDF should move to Eastleigh and comb the place door to door for illegal immigrants and weapons.

Kenya Defence forces should not have a bearing presence at home or over fellow citizens, that is very good policy, actually the ideal is KDF should never have to use force/be deployed inside Kenya, this should be the very last time we should see them in action inside the country if we are really serious about security, it is total and absolute nonsense to start asking/begging KDF to continue playing policing roles within the country, absolute nonsense! It should be an abomination, even advanced countries like US have a national guard who cannot really mix with the army, they even have F18 and and other advanced jets for internal jobs, but as a rule, a countries defense forces should not mix in raia issues, except under extreme and unimaginable/terrible circumstances like we found ourselves in, internal affairs need a different force/service, call it police.
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Njung'e
#18 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:17:14 PM
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ZZE123 wrote:
KDF should move to Eastleigh and comb the place door to door for illegal immigrants and weapons.


This should be a country wide exercise but of course EL would be of much interest.Move all the Somali refugees into their on country ASAP.
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heri
#19 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:24:47 PM
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My thinking

1) every estate should have a way of knowing who is in their midst eg every 30 families to have regular meetings
2) hotels and lodges must be audited to find out if they have know your customers procedures
3) get our priorities right. Why do we pay mps so much while we probably need to triple our investment in security eg forensic labs, equipment, pay our cops and recruit the right people. Policing these days is more brains than brawn
4) youth employment is key to reducing insecurity
5) some form of military training for all youth shoud be introduced
6) hold people to account for what they are paid to do
Njung'e
#20 Posted : Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:47:21 PM
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pleasecallme wrote:
Support 100% -> One MP suggesting major empowerment & funding of institutions like red cross, other than pumping money to disaster management/special programmes ministries for which we don't see their input at times like this.


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