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mukiha
#21 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 3:16:56 PM
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Irony: when opinion polls are conducted, kenyans say overwhelmingly that the group they trust least is the politicians; yet, they take everything that their favourite politician says as true without question.

Peculiar indeed!
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Caramba
#22 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 4:24:17 PM
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masukuma wrote:
we must trust our institutions....MUST!! these are the things that stand in the way of us and anarchy.... its not debatable!


Even North Korea has institutions that enjoy near-divine status.

A few days ago, they executed the president's ex-girlfriend by firing squad for starring in a porn movie.
masukuma
#23 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 5:27:03 PM
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Caramba wrote:
masukuma wrote:
we must trust our institutions....MUST!! these are the things that stand in the way of us and anarchy.... its not debatable!


Even North Korea has institutions that enjoy near-divine status.

A few days ago, they executed the president's ex-girlfriend by firing squad for starring in a porn movie.

what are we doing here then if we cannot let institutions do their jobs?
the constitution was promulgated housing the aspirations of Kenyans. we bound ourselves to values enshrined in that document. we have laws created from that constitution, we have institutions springing from that constitution. these institutions operate in a legal framework. if one perceives that a certain institution does not work within the legal framework provided or the legal framework is faulty the constitution provided channels of addressing these gaps or perceptions. Laws are the only things that separate us from animals. We MUST follow them to the letter!! if we don't like them lets change them! but let us not break them because we judge them to be faulty. That is why I like Okiya Omutata - he takes stuff to court! <-- an institution!
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King G
#24 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 7:59:29 PM
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@Masukuma, you and your MUST... drama continues. Now who to believe


McReggae wrote:
Ahmednassir: JSC to continue investigating Shollei

Shollei: I'm sueing Ahmednassir for libel

Sit back and watch as the drama unfolds.


Thieves
masukuma
#25 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 8:19:57 PM
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King G wrote:
@Masukuma, you and your MUST... drama continues. Now who to believe


McReggae wrote:
Ahmednassir: JSC to continue investigating Shollei

Shollei: I'm sueing Ahmednassir for libel

Sit back and watch as the drama unfolds.



its immaterial who you believe between the two... you MUST believe that the institutions the two are referring their cases to will do their job.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
kiash
#26 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 10:01:28 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
So Baba was right all along. After the Shollei ball catching, then what next ..



Its Kenya Laughing out loudly haiya@kiash
King G
#27 Posted : Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:04:43 PM
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Now if an agreement has been reached and ratified before a Hon Judge. How can one of the prominet lawyers in the country trash it unless he doesnot trust the institution itself. Now what about me, a lay person.

The ndrama continues!!!
Thieves
Othelo
#28 Posted : Wednesday, January 27, 2016 4:50:52 PM
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So Baba has been right all along ....... smile
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Othelo
#29 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:05:55 PM
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Othelo wrote:
So Baba has been right all along ....... smile

Baba talked about the current shenanigans in this court 3 years ago and was dismissed as usual. when Baba says, just know it is the truth.smile smile smile
Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
sitaki.kujulikana
#30 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:56:54 PM
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Othelo wrote:
Othelo wrote:
So Baba has been right all along ....... smile

Baba talked about the current shenanigans in this court 3 years ago and was dismissed as usual. when Baba says, just know it is the truth.smile smile smile

even a heartless beast would pity baba, just looking at his face and walking style you definitely see an honest man, a good man, a man who if given a chance would turn the country around.
Not many men his age would sit on the tarmac and take in all that tear gas, add to that being caned mbele ya umati, all that for the love of the country, of course apart from besigye (not sure how old besigye is), but the latter has taken the love of his country to a new level.
very sad that few listen to him, no wonder he compares himself to Jesus.
Ngogoyo
#31 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:03:21 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Othelo wrote:
So Baba has been right all along ....... smile

Baba talked about the current shenanigans in this court 3 years ago and was dismissed as usual. when Baba says, just know it is the truth.smile smile smile

even a heartless beast would pity baba, just looking at his face and walking style you definitely see an honest man, a good man, a man who if given a chance would turn the country around.
Not many men his age would sit on the tarmac and take in all that tear gas, add to that being caned mbele ya umati, all that for the love of the country, of course apart from besigye (not sure how old besigye is), but the latter has taken the love of his country to a new level.
very sad that few listen to him, no wonder he compares himself to Jesus.


baba for PORK
muganda
#32 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:59:24 PM
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Everything leaks in Kenya. http://www.the-star.co.k...ter_c1360674?page=0%2C1
Here is the chronology of events:


On May 27, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Willy Mutunga wrote:

Colleagues:

The CA (Court of Appeal) has decided.

I am told there are applications and appeals already filed.

I have instructed Hon Lucy Njora (Supreme Court Deputy Registrar) to place the applications before me for directions.

I will deal with the applications as a single judge.

--

Dr. Willy Mutunga, D.Jur,SC,EGH

Chief Justice/President, Supreme Court of Kenya


Judge Njoki's reply

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Njoki Ndungu wrote:

CJ,

I saw your email very late. It would have been better if you had called on phone directly if you had directions for me. I assure you I have followed the provisions of our rules and Act strictly.

As duty Judge for today I already heard 2 certificate of urgency applications by Justices Rawal and Tunoi. I have already disposed of them, given interim orders and given dates for interparties hearing. I think that is in order.

Sincerely,

Njoki


Mutunga reply

On May 27, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Willy Mutunga wrote:

I counseled against copying the applicants in any mail coming from us!

I thought, given the history of this matter, you would have considered that those of us who are around could be involved in some brief conferencing. Even as a duty judge, isn't there a standing guideline that after the files are given to judges is either the CJ or the DCJ who does the allocation?

I am surprised you suggest I should have called you? Did you think of calling me?!


From: Njoki Ndungu

Date: May 28, 2016 at 8:42:37 AM EAT

To: Willy Mutunga

Cc: Mohammed Ibrahim , jbojwang , swanjala

Subject: Re: The Decision of the CA

With utmost respect CJ, I do not understand your angry tone - which I find inappropriate - to me in this email, for the following reasons:

1. I did not know you were in the country to begin with as your earlier email communication to us indicated you would be out of the country from the 22nd may. (How would I know to call you when you are out of the country? You never pick my calls anyway.)

2. You did not copy any email to ME asking not to copy our colleagues.

3. The first email from you to me arrived in my inbox at 2.31 pm when I had already started listening to the matters, and I was not online at that time. I only saw your email AFTER I had disposed of the applications.

4. Justice Ojwang who was the only other Judge not affected by the matter who was in chambers at the time and we consulted and agreed I should proceed hear the matters.

5. The matters were exparte and took a short time. I communicated to you immediately I saw your email and got your message from The DR.

5. I am not aware that there is anything wrong or untoward with the manner I handled the matters.

6. Did you have a specific outcome in mind? It appears to me, that once again you are having issues with the decisional independence of Judges in your court, particularly myself. This is a subject that has been discussed before. How do you suggest we handle this?

Njoki.SCJ.
Swenani
#33 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:14:28 PM
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muganda wrote:
Everything leaks in Kenya. http://www.the-star.co.k...ter_c1360674?page=0%2C1
Here is the chronology of events:


On May 27, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Willy Mutunga wrote:

Colleagues:

The CA (Court of Appeal) has decided.

I am told there are applications and appeals already filed.

I have instructed Hon Lucy Njora (Supreme Court Deputy Registrar) to place the applications before me for directions.

I will deal with the applications as a single judge.

--

Dr. Willy Mutunga, D.Jur,SC,EGH

Chief Justice/President, Supreme Court of Kenya


Judge Njoki's reply

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Njoki Ndungu wrote:

CJ,

I saw your email very late. It would have been better if you had called on phone directly if you had directions for me. I assure you I have followed the provisions of our rules and Act strictly.

As duty Judge for today I already heard 2 certificate of urgency applications by Justices Rawal and Tunoi. I have already disposed of them, given interim orders and given dates for interparties hearing. I think that is in order.

Sincerely,

Njoki


Mutunga reply

On May 27, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Willy Mutunga wrote:

I counseled against copying the applicants in any mail coming from us!

I thought, given the history of this matter, you would have considered that those of us who are around could be involved in some brief conferencing. Even as a duty judge, isn't there a standing guideline that after the files are given to judges is either the CJ or the DCJ who does the allocation?

I am surprised you suggest I should have called you? Did you think of calling me?!


From: Njoki Ndungu

Date: May 28, 2016 at 8:42:37 AM EAT

To: Willy Mutunga

Cc: Mohammed Ibrahim , jbojwang , swanjala

Subject: Re: The Decision of the CA

With utmost respect CJ, I do not understand your angry tone - which I find inappropriate - to me in this email, for the following reasons:

1. I did not know you were in the country to begin with as your earlier email communication to us indicated you would be out of the country from the 22nd may. (How would I know to call you when you are out of the country? You never pick my calls anyway.)

2. You did not copy any email to ME asking not to copy our colleagues.

3. The first email from you to me arrived in my inbox at 2.31 pm when I had already started listening to the matters, and I was not online at that time. I only saw your email AFTER I had disposed of the applications.

4. Justice Ojwang who was the only other Judge not affected by the matter who was in chambers at the time and we consulted and agreed I should proceed hear the matters.

5. The matters were exparte and took a short time. I communicated to you immediately I saw your email and got your message from The DR.

5. I am not aware that there is anything wrong or untoward with the manner I handled the matters.

6. Did you have a specific outcome in mind? It appears to me, that once again you are having issues with the decisional independence of Judges in your court, particularly myself. This is a subject that has been discussed before. How do you suggest we handle this?

Njoki.SCJ.


Thank God you are alive

So between Mutunga and Njoki who leaked the emails?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
kaka2za
#34 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:17:54 PM
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Supremesinema continues....stay tuned

But seriously huyo Cucu hajapata pesa ya kutosha?
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
sitaki.kujulikana
#35 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:33:32 PM
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Ngogoyo wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Othelo wrote:
Othelo wrote:
So Baba has been right all along ....... smile

Baba talked about the current shenanigans in this court 3 years ago and was dismissed as usual. when Baba says, just know it is the truth.smile smile smile

even a heartless beast would pity baba, just looking at his face and walking style you definitely see an honest man, a good man, a man who if given a chance would turn the country around.
Not many men his age would sit on the tarmac and take in all that tear gas, add to that being caned mbele ya umati, all that for the love of the country, of course apart from besigye (not sure how old besigye is), but the latter has taken the love of his country to a new level.
very sad that few listen to him, no wonder he compares himself to Jesus.


baba for PORK

no no no, its baba 4 pork
Ngalaka
#36 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:38:56 PM
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Issues kibao!
Rawal running rings around the court, Tunoi smearing mud all over, Njoki throwing tanrums, Jubilee pulling strings from behind etc!
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Othelo
#37 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:49:45 PM
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Didn't know some people were stooges in this court!!! KENYA Sad
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Ngalaka
#38 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 4:05:44 PM
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Othelo wrote:
Didn't know some people were stooges in this court!!! KENYA Sad


You mean Njoki! Tend to agree too. In that email convo comes out as too headstrong in attitude and of preemptive stance!
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
sitaki.kujulikana
#39 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:00:14 PM
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From the mail leak, am I the only one who see's more sense from the lady justice, ama my biopic goggles are firmly set.
murchr
#40 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:11:31 PM
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Swenani wrote:
muganda wrote:
Everything leaks in Kenya. http://www.the-star.co.k...ter_c1360674?page=0%2C1
Here is the chronology of events:


On May 27, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Willy Mutunga wrote:

Colleagues:

The CA (Court of Appeal) has decided.

I am told there are applications and appeals already filed.

I have instructed Hon Lucy Njora (Supreme Court Deputy Registrar) to place the applications before me for directions.

I will deal with the applications as a single judge.

--

Dr. Willy Mutunga, D.Jur,SC,EGH

Chief Justice/President, Supreme Court of Kenya


Judge Njoki's reply

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Njoki Ndungu wrote:

CJ,

I saw your email very late. It would have been better if you had called on phone directly if you had directions for me. I assure you I have followed the provisions of our rules and Act strictly.

As duty Judge for today I already heard 2 certificate of urgency applications by Justices Rawal and Tunoi. I have already disposed of them, given interim orders and given dates for interparties hearing. I think that is in order.

Sincerely,

Njoki


Mutunga reply

On May 27, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Willy Mutunga wrote:

I counseled against copying the applicants in any mail coming from us!

I thought, given the history of this matter, you would have considered that those of us who are around could be involved in some brief conferencing. Even as a duty judge, isn't there a standing guideline that after the files are given to judges is either the CJ or the DCJ who does the allocation?

I am surprised you suggest I should have called you? Did you think of calling me?!


From: Njoki Ndungu

Date: May 28, 2016 at 8:42:37 AM EAT

To: Willy Mutunga

Cc: Mohammed Ibrahim , jbojwang , swanjala

Subject: Re: The Decision of the CA

With utmost respect CJ, I do not understand your angry tone - which I find inappropriate - to me in this email, for the following reasons:

1. I did not know you were in the country to begin with as your earlier email communication to us indicated you would be out of the country from the 22nd may. (How would I know to call you when you are out of the country? You never pick my calls anyway.)

2. You did not copy any email to ME asking not to copy our colleagues.

3. The first email from you to me arrived in my inbox at 2.31 pm when I had already started listening to the matters, and I was not online at that time. I only saw your email AFTER I had disposed of the applications.

4. Justice Ojwang who was the only other Judge not affected by the matter who was in chambers at the time and we consulted and agreed I should proceed hear the matters.

5. The matters were exparte and took a short time. I communicated to you immediately I saw your email and got your message from The DR.

5. I am not aware that there is anything wrong or untoward with the manner I handled the matters.

6. Did you have a specific outcome in mind? It appears to me, that once again you are having issues with the decisional independence of Judges in your court, particularly myself. This is a subject that has been discussed before. How do you suggest we handle this?

Njoki.SCJ.


Thank God you are alive

So between Mutunga and Njoki who leaked the emails?


Any of the copied individuals could have leaked it
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