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josimar wrote:A project of this magnitude cutting across the landscape will surely encounter challenges eg, land displacements, environmental concerns, wildlife activists etc...I support the project but give it a timeline of 4 to 5 Years from now. court cases too!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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the lunatic express took between 1896 and 1901 to construct between Mombasa and Kisumu. this is despite a number of resistances from a number of communities along the route some of which were nearly full blown wars. the SGR is slightly wider (1.435m between the inside edges of the rails) than what we have. If we retain what we have, then we require a parallel way-leave alongside the lunatic Express. As for mode of operation, the current is locomotive (where the engines pulls all the load from the front). What is proposed is different..... diesel-electric multiple unit (DEMU) where a diesel engine drives an electrical generator or an alternator which produces electrical energy. The generated current is then fed to electric traction motors on the wheels or bogies. this produces trains that gain speed faster and stops fasters "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/13/2006 Posts: 70
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Impunity wrote:Will this SGR be constructed along the path of the Lunatic Express or will it take its own course?
Will the Lunatic Gauge be uprooted henceforth or left to rote(spl)? If only the politicians had the taxpayers intrest at heart they should have considered changing the current sleepers from the current one meter gauge to the SGR along the path of the lunatic express. considering KR has alot of idle rail lines all over the country this woould have drastically reduced the cost and duration of the project. Kama kuoga ni usafi taulo lachafukani?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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Allank wrote:Impunity wrote:Will this SGR be constructed along the path of the Lunatic Express or will it take its own course?
Will the Lunatic Gauge be uprooted henceforth or left to rote(spl)? If only the politicians had the taxpayers intrest at heart they should have considered changing the current sleepers from the current one meter gauge to the SGR along the path of the lunatic express. considering KR has alot of idle rail lines all over the country this woould have drastically reduced the cost and duration of the project. That would mean no train services between msa and nai for the entire duration of "changing sleepers". That's before taking into account the structural engineering details.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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mawinder wrote:Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:A project of this magnitude cutting across the landscape will surely encounter challenges eg, land displacements, environmental concerns, wildlife activists etc...I support the project but give it a timeline of 4 to 5 Years from now. Without corruption and local politician interference and with the Chinese speed this project should take 3 years...but nawezawait 5 years. Railway is my thing and I wish the gaament can involve me in the design and setting up stages. I know some of the best diesel locos from Germany which are as reliable as electric locos, the type of locos used in Israel. ION:Israel being one of the tech-savvy country has no got no single kilometer of electric train; all trains are diesel propelled, in types of powerhouses pulling/pushing the wagos and other are DMU's. I once boarded one from Tel-Aiv to Haifa. Even Kenya has electric trains.Anyway,like in all govt. Projects people have to eat. Yeah, diesel-electric; the powerhouse is on board. The one we are talking about is that type suplied power by overhead cables or the third-rail. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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GGK wrote:the lunatic express took between 1896 and 1901 to construct between Mombasa and Kisumu. this is despite a number of resistances from a number of communities along the route some of which were nearly full blown wars.
the SGR is slightly wider (1.435m between the inside edges of the rails) than what we have. If we retain what we have, then we require a parallel way-leave alongside the lunatic Express.
As for mode of operation, the current is locomotive (where the engines pulls all the load from the front). What is proposed is different..... diesel-electric multiple unit (DEMU) where a diesel engine drives an electrical generator or an alternator which produces electrical energy. The generated current is then fed to electric traction motors on the wheels or bogies. this produces trains that gain speed faster and stops fasters Where is this diesel engine located? Is it located at the front of the whole train or located within selected wagons/coaches? Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/6/2010 Posts: 242
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The locomotives will also be supplied from China, so the project comes with a full package.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/20/2012 Posts: 888
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dunkang wrote:Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:A project of this magnitude cutting across the landscape will surely encounter challenges eg, land displacements, environmental concerns, wildlife activists etc...I support the project but give it a timeline of 4 to 5 Years from now. Without corruption and local politician interference and with the Chinese speed this project should take 3 years...but nawezawait 5 years. Railway is my thing and I wish the gaament can involve me in the design and setting up stages. I know some of the best diesel locos from Germany which are as reliable as electric locos, the type of locos used in Israel. ION:Israel being one of the tech-savvy country has no got no single kilometer of electric train; all trains are diesel propelled, in types of powerhouses pulling/pushing the wagos and other are DMU's. I once boarded one from Tel-Aiv to Haifa. CORD fanatics will derail the project! Well said. I'm sure they are also on the planning stage!!  Let us hope the voice of reason shall prevail.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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josimar wrote:The locomotives will also be supplied from China, so the project comes with a full package. I would rather we do German locos than Chinese; RELIABILITY and motive POWER! Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:The locomotives will also be supplied from China, so the project comes with a full package. I would rather we do German locos than Chinese; RELIABILITY and motive POWER! Ooh come-on the chinese trains as as good as germans why should we pay more?? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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Impunity wrote:GGK wrote:
As for mode of operation, the current is locomotive (where the engines pulls all the load from the front). What is proposed is different..... diesel-electric multiple unit (DEMU) where a diesel engine drives an electrical generator or an alternator which produces electrical energy. The generated current is then fed to electric traction motors on the wheels or bogies. this produces trains that gain speed faster and stops fasters
Where is this diesel engine located? Is it located at the front of the whole train or located within selected wagons/coaches? I guess the engines are distributed "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:The locomotives will also be supplied from China, so the project comes with a full package. I would rather we do German locos than Chinese; RELIABILITY and motive POWER! Ooh come-on the chinese trains as as good as germans why should we pay more?? Uhuru should have got Marklin,Fleischmann,Lima trains not the likes of Foton or whatever from China.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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mawinder wrote:murchr wrote:Impunity wrote:josimar wrote:The locomotives will also be supplied from China, so the project comes with a full package. I would rather we do German locos than Chinese; RELIABILITY and motive POWER! Ooh come-on the chinese trains as as good as germans why should we pay more?? Uhuru should have got Marklin,Fleischmann,Lima trains not the likes of Foton or whatever from China. The person to set up a local plant here should carry the day, imagine if a train is to stop then we're told that an engineer should come from germany "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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ok ok... why the phobia of Chinese products? Chinese are capable of making anything as specified. it's only that merchants from Kenya usually buy cheap to make a kill. "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/6/2010 Posts: 242
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The biggest beneficiary in this whole arrangement will be China, we shall pay back the loan + interest, if the locomotives are from China be rest assuared that for the next 10Years we shall be purchasing spares from them. All these money will be going to their economy.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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josimar wrote:The biggest beneficiary in this whole arrangement will be China, we shall pay back the loan + interest, if the locomotives are from China be rest assuared that for the next 10Years we shall be purchasing spares from them. All these money will be going to their economy. @josimar, And the alternative would be? Care to share? Do we tax ourselves for several years to raise the amounts needed? How much would we raise and how much would that hurt the economy? If loans are that bad,why do we take loans from banks? Is it that individual development loans are good but gov't development loans are bad? Bottom line is, if the loan is utilized well, the multiplier effect of an efficient transport system out weighs the financing costs. We don't make spare parts of anything,heck we even import toothpicks. Where else would we be getting spare parts from if not importing. What we should be championing is transparency and accountability.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/13/2006 Posts: 70
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mkeiyd wrote:Allank wrote:Impunity wrote:Will this SGR be constructed along the path of the Lunatic Express or will it take its own course?
Will the Lunatic Gauge be uprooted henceforth or left to rote(spl)? If only the politicians had the taxpayers intrest at heart they should have considered changing the current sleepers from the current one meter gauge to the SGR along the path of the lunatic express. considering KR has alot of idle rail lines all over the country this woould have drastically reduced the cost and duration of the project. That would mean no train services between msa and nai for the entire duration of "changing sleepers". That's before taking into account the structural engineering details. As per Eng.Kamau "RVR had a seven-year concession, and since it started, cargo transported by rail has gone down from 15 per cent to three per cent, we can as well close the railway and run the economy on the road as we change the sleepers. Kama kuoga ni usafi taulo lachafukani?
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