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Kshs 5 trn mineral discovery...no celebration!!!NKT!!!
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:12:17 AM
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The Kenyan rare earth is mainly Norbium, which is quite rare and only mined in Brazil-90% and Canada-10%.

http://www.businessinsid...places-on-earth-2010-12

Kenya needs to train a group of engineers on how to extract Nobium. This will take 5 to 10 years.
During this period, a negtiation with a multi national, whereby Kenya still retains over 51% of profits, not the paltry 3%.

If the Kenyan govt cant find investoers willing to part with 51%, the most ideal situation is to develop national infrastructure capable of mining this eg Numerical Machine complex, UoN, JKUCAT etc instead of giving the reources out for nearly free as in the case.

The Botswana situation whereby De Beers is in charge of marketing, extraction etc is a very raw deal since Botswana Govt only accounts for what De Beers tells them that this is the value of the extraction.

The North African countries developed between 1970 and 2011 when they nationalised oil production. After the Arab spring, the North Africans will go back to the poverty levels of the 1960s and join the rest of Africa poverty levels. Between 1970 to 2010 2011, the poverty levels were below 25% of population. Now it will rise to the Sub Saharan average of 50 to 90% of population.
Nationalizing minerals is the proven, time tested way to go to reduce poverty in Africa.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:35:00 AM
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@UKenyatta should learn from the best on the Choices have Consequences concept.
This is how Bolivia President does it.
In 2000, 67% of Bolivians lived on less than 1 usd per day. In 2010, it was 60%.
In 2011, only 30% lived below poverty line.
Currently, only 51% live below poverty line and the number is reducing every year.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=69
http://data.un.org/Data....amp;f=seriesRowID%3A581
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In spite of having the region's second largest natural-gas reserves after Venezuela, Bolivia is among Latin America's poorest nations. The landlocked country has also been marked by political instability; six presidents have held office in as many years, and one of them, Gonzalo "Goni" Sánchez de Lozada, was forced to resign in 2003 after protests against plans to export Bolivian gas turned violent.


On his hundredth day in office, Bolivian President Evo Morales moved to nationalize his nation's oil and gas reserves, ordering the military to occupy Bolivia's gas fields and giving foreign investors a six-month deadline to comply with demands or leave. The May 1 directive set off tensions in the region and beyond, particularly for foreign investors in Brazil, Spain, and Argentina.
http://www.cfr.org/world...lization-oil-gas/p10682

This is how Argentinian President does it.
The government of Cristina Fern’andez de Kirchner recently re-nationalized YPF, Argentina’s largest oil producer from the Spanish firm Repsol, which had held a majority share since 1999, roughly six years after YPF was privatized. The development of Argentina’s vast unconventional resources will require significant investment in infrastructure; Kirchner justified the expropriation by claiming that YPF was under-investing in Argentina’s oil and gas sector. - See more at: http://www.energytribune...-2#sthash.YvAQxVby.dpuf

http://www.energytribune...-2#sthash.YvAQxVby.dpbs

This is how Iran does it.

Mussadeq had been busily proclaiming that nationalisation of oil would abolish poverty in Iran at one stroke. He was in his seventies and the Western media made mock of his pyjamas and his proneness to tears and fits of hysteria, but the Majlis swiftly passed a proposal to take over all the installations of ‘the late Anglo-Iranian Oil Company’ without compensation immediately. The Shah signed the necessary decrees on May 2nd.

http://www.historytoday....fields-are-nationalised


Only a very brave political leadership can dare such moves. The payback is huge for the Kenyan citizens in terms of reduction of poverty.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
Rahatupu
#23 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:31:30 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@UKenyatta should learn from the best on the Choices have Consequences concept.
This is how Bolivia President does it.
In 2000, 67% of Bolivians lived on less than 1 usd per day. In 2010, it was 60%.
In 2011, only 30% lived below poverty line.
Currently, only 51% live below poverty line and the number is reducing every year.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=69
http://data.un.org/Data....amp;f=seriesRowID%3A581
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In spite of having the region's second largest natural-gas reserves after Venezuela, Bolivia is among Latin America's poorest nations. The landlocked country has also been marked by political instability; six presidents have held office in as many years, and one of them, Gonzalo "Goni" Sánchez de Lozada, was forced to resign in 2003 after protests against plans to export Bolivian gas turned violent.


On his hundredth day in office, Bolivian President Evo Morales moved to nationalize his nation's oil and gas reserves, ordering the military to occupy Bolivia's gas fields and giving foreign investors a six-month deadline to comply with demands or leave. The May 1 directive set off tensions in the region and beyond, particularly for foreign investors in Brazil, Spain, and Argentina.
http://www.cfr.org/world...lization-oil-gas/p10682

This is how Argentinian President does it.
The government of Cristina Fern’andez de Kirchner recently re-nationalized YPF, Argentina’s largest oil producer from the Spanish firm Repsol, which had held a majority share since 1999, roughly six years after YPF was privatized. The development of Argentina’s vast unconventional resources will require significant investment in infrastructure; Kirchner justified the expropriation by claiming that YPF was under-investing in Argentina’s oil and gas sector. - See more at: http://www.energytribune...-2#sthash.YvAQxVby.dpuf

http://www.energytribune...-2#sthash.YvAQxVby.dpbs

This is how Iran does it.

Mussadeq had been busily proclaiming that nationalisation of oil would abolish poverty in Iran at one stroke. He was in his seventies and the Western media made mock of his pyjamas and his proneness to tears and fits of hysteria, but the Majlis swiftly passed a proposal to take over all the installations of ‘the late Anglo-Iranian Oil Company’ without compensation immediately. The Shah signed the necessary decrees on May 2nd.

http://www.historytoday....fields-are-nationalised


Only a very brave political leadership can dare such moves. The payback is huge for the Kenyan citizens in terms of reduction of poverty.


@A4arc, well said. The Gaddafi example could as well suffice, but for our so called "educated elite" and the avaricious political class.... we cannot take such BOLD moves.
deadpoet
#24 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:57:57 AM
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Woe unto Kenya, rare earth metals are deemed a US 'national security' interest:

http://americansecurityp...-earth-metals-in-china/

The evil eye is upon us!
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 12:57:56 PM
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deadpoet wrote:
Woe unto Kenya, rare earth metals are deemed a US 'national security' interest:

http://americansecurityp...-earth-metals-in-china/

The evil eye is upon us!


China produces a different type

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China produces the vast majority of two particularly important rares, dysprosium (99 percent) and neodymium (95 percent). The motor of a Prius requires about 3 pounds of the latter. While other countries, including the U.S., have significant amounts of these, China’s low-cost labor and lax environmental restrictions has afforded it a big advantage in this mining-intensive industry.

http://www.forbes.com/si...tranglehold-on-america/

Ours is niobium.

Its mined in Canada and Brazil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niobium
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murchr
#26 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 6:56:35 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
The Kenyan rare earth is mainly Norbium, which is quite rare and only mined in Brazil-90% and Canada-10%.

http://www.businessinsid...places-on-earth-2010-12

Kenya needs to train a group of engineers on how to extract Nobium. This will take 5 to 10 years.
During this period, a negtiation with a multi national, whereby Kenya still retains over 51% of profits, not the paltry 3%. 51% is ownership. No company would give this after sinking in millions in research and development. Its good to dream but hio imezidi. 3% is not profit but royalty, like a license for every sale KE gets 3%. There are many other ways that KE will get money...annual license to operate, taxation, when the stuff is being transported they will have to pay the port, the company will build social amenities and roads etc in this area. Moving fwd, GOK may establish another company or buy and operate it like KENGEN or NOCK to exploit these resources. 51% is a long shot serious companies dont like govt control

If the Kenyan govt cant find investoers willing to part with 51%, the most ideal situation is to develop national infrastructure capable of mining this eg Numerical Machine complex, UoN, JKUCAT etc instead of giving the reources out for nearly free as in the case.

The Botswana situation whereby De Beers is in charge of marketing, extraction etc is a very raw deal since Botswana Govt only accounts for what De Beers tells them that this is the value of the extraction.

The North African countries developed between 1970 and 2011 when they nationalised oil production. After the Arab spring, the North Africans will go back to the poverty levels of the 1960s and join the rest of Africa poverty levels. Between 1970 to 2010 2011, the poverty levels were below 25% of population. Now it will rise to the Sub Saharan average of 50 to 90% of population.
Nationalizing minerals is the proven, time tested way to go to reduce poverty in Africa.

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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#27 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:05:36 PM
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@murchr..the ideal negotiation is whereby the tax, royalties, license fees, infrastructure fees or any other considerations paid by the foreign company to Kenya amount to at least 51%.
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murchr
#28 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:19:34 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@murchr..the ideal negotiation is whereby the tax, royalties, license fees, infrastructure fees or any other considerations paid by the foreign company to Kenya amount to at least 51%.


I havent seen the agreement and the local dailies dont know what the agreements are anyway, they pick that which they can gasp and run with it.

This company may take decades before it recoups its investments. What i know is in most agreements what the govt get increases with time as the mining company gets back its money.

Thats why am insisting on a "NOCK kind of company" that deals with minerals, that bids for licenses even in the neighboring countries. Its time to build capacity not to scare investors. Out of the 49% that the company will be left with how much will be eaten up by operations and how long will it take for the shareholder to recoup his investment?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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mwekez@ji
#29 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:29:18 AM
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Nema gives rare earths miner licence terms


The National Environment Management Authority (Nema) has given the firm 30 days to confirm that it would comply with a raft of conditions before it is granted a basic licence for the Sh12.8 billion plant.

“The proponent shall legally acquire the proposed piece of land at Mwabovo near Mrima Hills and ensure that all the land owners are adequately compensated before implementation of the project,” Nema director for compliance and enforcement Michael Langwen said in a letter dated July 8.

If the firm confirms it will abide by the 40 conditions, which include installing a waste water treatment facility, it would be issued with an environmental impact assessment licence. Without the licence any developments on the site would be illegal.

“This licence that will be valid for 24 months shall not be taken as statutory defence against charges of environmental degradation or pollution,” Mr Langwen said.

Compensation, health, and environmental concerns inform most of the conditions that will require the firm to have adequate resources - personnel and capital - to comply with.

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#30 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 9:16:15 PM
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Kenya puts freeze on new mining licences

Kenya has suspended the issuance of new mining licences to allow for an audit of activities in its emerging mineral exploration industry and to review laws regulating the sector, the minister in charge of the sector said on Thursday.

East Africa’s largest economy has more than 300 local and foreign firms prospecting for minerals or producing on a small scale, up from fewer than 30 two years ago, Kenya’s Chamber of Mines says.

The country has proven deposits of titanium, gold and coal and is also estimated to hold large deposits of copper, niobium, manganese and rare earth minerals.
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#31 Posted : Monday, July 29, 2013 5:26:47 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
Woe unto Kenya, rare earth metals are deemed a US 'national security' interest:

http://americansecurityp...-earth-metals-in-china/

The evil eye is upon us!


China produces a different type

Quote:
China produces the vast majority of two particularly important rares, dysprosium (99 percent) and neodymium (95 percent). The motor of a Prius requires about 3 pounds of the latter. While other countries, including the U.S., have significant amounts of these, China’s low-cost labor and lax environmental restrictions has afforded it a big advantage in this mining-intensive industry.

http://www.forbes.com/si...tranglehold-on-america/

Ours is niobium.

Its mined in Canada and Brazil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niobium


Mrima Hill is a 'Niobium and Rare Earth Project'. Thus, those other elements are also present.
But I see no reason to worry about it being a US National Security Interest.
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:12:10 PM
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Government targets higher royalties from mining sector

The government says it will soon push for a larger public share of the mineral wealth. Officials on Monday said the government will seek nearly 20 per cent of the cash made by big miners, mostly foreigners, through higher royalties and a new proposal to secure government stake in mining companies.

The government is seeking to increase the royalty rates, currently ranging between three per cent and five per cent, depending on the mineral’s worth in line with the proposed new mining law. The Mining Bill 2013 has left the royalty rates open to government policy although it demands a larger public share of the wealth.

“The royalties are going to be as high as between three per cent and 10 per cent,” said Richard Ekai Titus, the principal secretary for Mining. Currently setting of the rates is subject to investment agreements with the mining firms where other issues such as concession agreements and tax are agreed.

This means precious minerals fetching premium prices in global markets may attract higher royalty compared to industrial minerals such as fluorspar and gypsum that are largely used locally
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#33 Posted : Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:12:31 PM
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murchr wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
@murchr..the ideal negotiation is whereby the tax, royalties, license fees, infrastructure fees or any other considerations paid by the foreign company to Kenya amount to at least 51%.


I havent seen the agreement and the local dailies dont know what the agreements are anyway, they pick that which they can gasp and run with it.

This company may take decades before it recoups its investments. What i know is in most agreements what the govt get increases with time as the mining company gets back its money.

Thats why am insisting on a "NOCK kind of company" that deals with minerals, that bids for licenses even in the neighboring countries. Its time to build capacity not to scare investors. Out of the 49% that the company will be left with how much will be eaten up by operations and how long will it take for the shareholder to recoup his investment?



Quote:
The government says it will soon push for a larger public share of the mineral wealth. Officials on Monday said the government will seek nearly 20 per cent of the cash made by big miners, mostly foreigners, through higher royalties and a new proposal to secure government stake in mining companies.




http://www.businessdaily.../-/oqc39jz/-/index.html


20% is good. 51% even better for Kenyans.
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murchr
#34 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:50:14 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
murchr wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
@murchr..the ideal negotiation is whereby the tax, royalties, license fees, infrastructure fees or any other considerations paid by the foreign company to Kenya amount to at least 51%.


I havent seen the agreement and the local dailies dont know what the agreements are anyway, they pick that which they can gasp and run with it.

This company may take decades before it recoups its investments. What i know is in most agreements what the govt get increases with time as the mining company gets back its money.

Thats why am insisting on a "NOCK kind of company" that deals with minerals, that bids for licenses even in the neighboring countries. Its time to build capacity not to scare investors. Out of the 49% that the company will be left with how much will be eaten up by operations and how long will it take for the shareholder to recoup his investment?



Quote:
The government says it will soon push for a larger public share of the mineral wealth. Officials on Monday said the government will seek nearly 20 per cent of the cash made by big miners, mostly foreigners, through higher royalties and a new proposal to secure government stake in mining companies.




http://www.businessdaily.../-/oqc39jz/-/index.html


20% is good. 51% even better for Kenyans.


@architect I saw this article and, was to come back to read and comment about it on the comments section but clearly i had other things that were more pressing.

Here is a report by PWC on taxation..I havent seen any royalty that is over 15% depending on what is being mined http://www.pwc.com/gx/en...ther-mining_taxes.jhtml

What Australia takes as royalties http://www.bloomberg.com...-rare-earth-mining.html

If Kenya can be a pioneer in getting 20% on royalties then well and good.

Just bumped into this article on the Sub-Standard which is also a good read. http://www.standardmedia...ining-deal-is-way-to-go
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No one ever mentioned in China’s strategy for Rare Earths that it would be a supply dominated by China AND Kenya. The ‘Kenya’ part wasn’t in the global plan.

Not that anyone has really focussed on that jigsaw puzzle as we gained lots of lovely grants and friendship from China, a free hospital, a beautiful Thika superhighway
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murchr
#35 Posted : Thursday, August 01, 2013 10:45:01 PM
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Kwale, Kenya: The value of the rare earth minerals recently discovered in Kwale County could be worth more than the estimated Sh51.2 trillion, an official has said.

Cortec Mining Kenya managing director David Anderson says the price of niobium is set to rise following a spike in global demand.

Source
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Much Know
#36 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 2:10:35 PM
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Balala revokes 31 mining lincenses

Does this include the famous oil?
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#37 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 2:31:50 PM
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Much Know wrote:
Balala revokes 31 mining lincenses

Does this include the famous oil?


Oil is not under his docket.

A lot of potential for gold in the Western/Lake Victoria region. If we get the right companies holding licenses and not these briefcase entities, we'll move faster na mambo itakuwa mazuri...
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#38 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 4:23:49 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Much Know wrote:
Balala revokes 31 mining lincenses

Does this include the famous oil?


Oil is not under his docket.

A lot of potential for gold in the Western/Lake Victoria region. If we get the right companies holding licenses and not these briefcase entities, we'll move faster na mambo itakuwa mazuri...


Another case....on Wednesday GO is representing some canadian firm on this....
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murchr
#39 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 6:08:37 PM
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maka wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Much Know wrote:
Balala revokes 31 mining lincenses

Does this include the famous oil?


Oil is not under his docket.

A lot of potential for gold in the Western/Lake Victoria region. If we get the right companies holding licenses and not these briefcase entities, we'll move faster na mambo itakuwa mazuri...


Another case....on Wednesday GO is representing some canadian firm on this....


What is GO?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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maka
#40 Posted : Monday, August 05, 2013 6:55:53 PM
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murchr wrote:
maka wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Much Know wrote:
Balala revokes 31 mining lincenses

Does this include the famous oil?


Oil is not under his docket.

A lot of potential for gold in the Western/Lake Victoria region. If we get the right companies holding licenses and not these briefcase entities, we'll move faster na mambo itakuwa mazuri...


Another case....on Wednesday GO is representing some canadian firm on this....


What is GO?


who is G.O = George Oraro
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