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McReggae
#11 Posted: : Monday, July 08, 2013 12:23:27 PM
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InnovateGuy wrote:
King G wrote:
The gava needs revenue to run, let us give them a chance. Moving on the VAT increments wont affect the poor but middle class onwards.


Exactly. And they are the people making a lot of noise and misinforming the public.


I asked a question unalenga...now let me inform, the slum dweller in Nairobi buy these processed stuff albeit in the kadogo sizes!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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maka
#12 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2013 1:07:35 PM
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McReggae wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
King G wrote:
The gava needs revenue to run, let us give them a chance. Moving on the VAT increments wont affect the poor but middle class onwards.


Exactly. And they are the people making a lot of noise and misinforming the public.


I asked a question unalenga...now let me inform, the slum dweller in Nairobi buy these processed stuff albeit in the kadogo sizes!!!!


Kenya publishers association say the cost of books will go up by 50%...
possunt quia posse videntur
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King G
#13 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2013 1:18:37 PM
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maka wrote:
McReggae wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
King G wrote:
The gava needs revenue to run, let us give them a chance. Moving on the VAT increments wont affect the poor but middle class onwards.


Exactly. And they are the people making a lot of noise and misinforming the public.


I asked a question unalenga...now let me inform, the slum dweller in Nairobi buy these processed stuff albeit in the kadogo sizes!!!!


Kenya publishers association say the cost of books will go up by 50%...


50% from where, unless they want maximise on the opportunity to join in the thiefing!!
Thieves
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maka
#14 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2013 1:20:30 PM
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King G wrote:
maka wrote:
McReggae wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
King G wrote:
The gava needs revenue to run, let us give them a chance. Moving on the VAT increments wont affect the poor but middle class onwards.


Exactly. And they are the people making a lot of noise and misinforming the public.


I asked a question unalenga...now let me inform, the slum dweller in Nairobi buy these processed stuff albeit in the kadogo sizes!!!!


Kenya publishers association say the cost of books will go up by 50%...


50% from where, unless they want maximise on the opportunity to join in the thiefing!!

something about electricity going up by 16% bla bla and so many other thingz...
possunt quia posse videntur
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FRM2011
#15 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2013 7:27:58 PM
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InnovateGuy wrote:
There is a lot of misinformation about the VAT bill 2013. I would like to lay the blame squarely on the media for misinforming the public.

The first misconception is that the VAT bill will increase the cost of basic commodities for the common man. This is not entirely true. Most of the poor do not rely on processed foods. At least those who rely on processed foods can afford them. Again, some of the goods that are zero rated are not exclusively used by the poor people. Therefore, once the tax is removed, there is a huge number of people who will enjoy the "subsidy" while they do not form part of the poor group that should benefit from the "subsidy."




@innovateguy, you sound very much like the economic secretary, geffrey mwau, on citizen tv yesterday. When asked whether or not prices would go up, he went round and round blabbering in an incomprehensible manner that the poor will be cushioned through programs. Janet mbugua asked him three times whether pads prices would go higher and everytime he skived the question.

President Kibaki had a very resourceful national social economic council that helped him put the country on the path of progress. Seems like Kenyatta II has done away with that team. One gets the feeling there are people setting up the president to fail.

Am not an economist but when KAM, KEPSA and all the leading tax consultants from the big 5 audit firms warn about the vat bill, i know who to believe.
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Shak
#16 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2013 7:49:44 PM
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So what has the IMF threatened to do if the bill does not go through?
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MaichBlack
#17 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2013 9:52:26 PM
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InnovateGuy wrote:
There is a lot of misinformation about the VAT bill 2013.


Yes!!! by @InnovateGuy

InnovateGuy wrote:
The first misconception is that the VAT bill will increase the cost of basic commodities for the common man. This is not entirely true. Most of the poor do not rely on processed foods.


As @McReggae asked you, can you please inform us what the poor [who are the majority!!] in Nairobi and other major towns eat!

InnovateGuy wrote:
maka wrote:
But commodity prices will go up right...the maziwas,mkates etc


Yes.But it's not a bad thing because there is a huge group of people that does not pay any other form of taxes. They can only pay through the goods they purchase.

What about those who pay??? Are you advocating their double taxation? The goverment should decide if they wanr to tax income or expenditure!

One last thing, anyone can tell you work for the Government! In wazua people will out you very first!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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MaichBlack
#18 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2013 9:57:19 PM
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maligumu wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
McReggae wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
maka wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
There is a lot of misinformation about the VAT bill 2013. I would like to lay the blame squarely on the media for misinforming the public.

The first misconception is that the VAT bill will increase the cost of basic commodities for the common man. This is not entirely true. Most of the poor do not rely on processed foods. At least those who rely on processed foods can afford them. Again, some of the goods that are zero rated are not exclusively used by the poor people. Therefore, once the tax is removed, there is a huge number of people who will enjoy the "subsidy" while they do not form part of the poor group that should benefit from the "subsidy."


But commodity prices will go up right...the maziwas,mkates etc


Yes.But it's not a bad thing because there is a huge group of people that does not pay any other form of taxes. They can only pay through the goods they purchase.

The reason why the government did not go for this category before is because the thinking was that the exemption of some goods from taxation would cushion the poor in terms of the cost of living. The problem with this is that other people who are not necessarily poor benefit from the exemption.


So what do the poor eat especially in Nairobi.....what pads do they use, please enlighten me!!!


This category can be targeted by providing the basics directly to them.



How cost effective or is it just another avenue ya corruption. Targeting the vulnerable has been a challenge. E.g Look around and tell us who benefited most from the subsidized unga.

Like the subsidized unga that was meant to cushion the poor? How many poor people benefited? Or is it like the subsidized maize that was to be availed to millers so that they can lower the price of maize meal? We all know how that ended. Say Kibor. Say Ruto. Say many others. Sema Raia kuumia. Sema mabwenyenye kunona!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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newfarer
#19 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2013 10:14:28 PM
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when I heard that GEOFREY mwau treasury fellow talk of biometric mapping of poor Kenyan to receive govt handouts, I knew that our goose is cooked.anything Bio....doesn't inspire me especially after March 4.
punda amecheka
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InnovateGuy
#20 Posted : Monday, July 08, 2013 11:53:35 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
There is a lot of misinformation about the VAT bill 2013.


Yes!!! by @InnovateGuy

InnovateGuy wrote:
The first misconception is that the VAT bill will increase the cost of basic commodities for the common man. This is not entirely true. Most of the poor do not rely on processed foods.


As @McReggae asked you, can you please inform us what the poor [who are the majority!!] in Nairobi and other major towns eat!

InnovateGuy wrote:
maka wrote:
But commodity prices will go up right...the maziwas,mkates etc


Yes.But it's not a bad thing because there is a huge group of people that does not pay any other form of taxes. They can only pay through the goods they purchase.

What about those who pay??? Are you advocating their double taxation? The goverment should decide if they wanr to tax income or expenditure!

One last thing, anyone can tell you work for the Government! In wazua people will out you very first!!!


Boss, I do not work for ( or with) the government. I'm only explaining my position on the matter.
Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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