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CMA probes more brokers in bonds theft scam
Museveni
#21 Posted : Monday, September 02, 2013 12:20:25 PM
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Kausha wrote:
This is an old story.....bonds and confirmed were 2.8B. Mweni swore an affidavit to this effect but latter withdrew it....wonder why? This matter will die a natural death. There is no way people will be allowed to peer into the details of how this bonds were created....ICT and digital times I tell you!


Standard story from Saturday..

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Recently concluded investigations by the Capital Markets regulator allege the group used the Central Bank’s central depository system to create fake government bonds that were later sold to unsuspecting buyers in the Nairobi Securities Exchange.
Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Scubidu
#22 Posted : Monday, September 02, 2013 3:54:21 PM
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Museveni wrote:
Kausha wrote:
This is an old story.....bonds and confirmed were 2.8B. Mweni swore an affidavit to this effect but latter withdrew it....wonder why? This matter will die a natural death. There is no way people will be allowed to peer into the details of how this bonds were created....ICT and digital times I tell you!


Standard story from Saturday..

See~~>
Quote:
Recently concluded investigations by the Capital Markets regulator allege the group used the Central Bank’s central depository system to create fake government bonds that were later sold to unsuspecting buyers in the Nairobi Securities Exchange.


The story has taken a different twist from the article at least with the mentioning of BOA. Starting to turn into a witch-hunt.
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Scubidu
#23 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:08:13 AM
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The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily.../0/-/its3uv/-/index.html
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
kizee1
#24 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:32:25 AM
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[quote=Scubidu]The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/its3uv/-/index.html[/quote]


where in the world does this happen?

isnt this a conflict of interest?
Museveni
#25 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:43:48 AM
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Scubidu wrote:
The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Why+CMA+wants+central+bank+out+of+bonds+market/-/539546/1977378/-/item/0/-/its3uv/-/index.html


Quote:
Mr Gatabaki said the fraud, so far confirmed to be worth about Sh105 million, may turn out to be worth billions of shillings when investigations are complete.


Is this the end of the road for the case or not ?

Previous article had hinted so.

Regarding Treasury vs CBK..

Treasury should obviously be incharge of creation and issuance of these bonds. Only problem is by having transferred the role to CBK, it hints that Treasury MAY be more porous than CBK. Just MAY·BE..

#2Cents
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kangi
#26 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 8:07:05 PM
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My thoughts exactly.
Wont we have sent the money to more hungrier mandarins who may exploit the loop holes more?
Not unless the national treasury pays the civil servants in the debt dept staff better rates.

Museveni wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Why+CMA+wants+central+bank+out+of+bonds+market/-/539546/1977378/-/item/0/-/its3uv/-/index.html


Quote:
Mr Gatabaki said the fraud, so far confirmed to be worth about Sh105 million, may turn out to be worth billions of shillings when investigations are complete.


Is this the end of the road for the case or not ?

Previous article had hinted so.

Regarding Treasury vs CBK..

Treasury should obviously be incharge of creation and issuance of these bonds. Only problem is by having transferred the role to CBK, it hints that Treasury MAY be more porous than CBK. Just MAY·BE..




#2Cents

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Kausha
#27 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:18:32 PM
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No offence meant but bw chair lost it, there is no way the treasury floats debt. That statement was economic nonsense. Why do I suspect witch hunting on Prof. Treasuries are not only issued for borrowing they are a core tool for implementing monetary policy. Anyone who studied economics 101 knows this. It is the responsibility of the central bank to manage monetary policy....eish upumba...
Scubidu
#28 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:56:08 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
[quote=Scubidu]The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/its3uv/-/index.html[/quote]


where in the world does this happen?

isnt this a conflict of interest?


@kizee1. No idea where this happens. Conflict? They issue, they allocate, they spend, I think so, sounds like no controls. I don't think Treasury would be any more accountable than CBK when it comes to scandals so they'd be just as bad. Even worse maybe as they'd be the custodians of bonds and payers of coupons (who wud notice a fraud). The stories indicate that criminals took advantage of a switch in systems to steal, which Treasury would have to do if they were to assume control anyway. Or this could be a case of 'it's my turn to eat' with Treasury looking to get in on the action that a select few at cBK have enjoyed (in secret). Perhaps it's the Treasury secretary who is simply missing the control he had at CBK.

The obvious benefit for Treasury is that they don't need to pay CBK 3 bn annually for their services and can decide what to issue. But whether they'll be more effective at giving rate direction or coordinating with the market is a different question. I think the guys endorsing this assumed CBK is struggling with both fiscal and monetary responsibilities and so must stick to one. But I find this hard to swallow as Treasury is already faced with a thousand and 1 pressures not to capitulate to guys like governors and investors meaning that it's unlikely they'd ever have a harmonized policy with CBK (on the monetary side) should they take control.

My 2 cents
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kizee1
#29 Posted : Wednesday, September 04, 2013 9:44:21 AM
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@scubi

fully agree, anyway this was a suggestion from CMA

i highly doubt anything will come from it

@kausha

exactly! monetary policy which includes debt issuance is the role of the CB treasury handles fiscal policy
maka
#30 Posted : Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:44:18 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
[quote=Scubidu]The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/its3uv/-/index.html[/quote]


where in the world does this happen?

isnt this a conflict of interest?


@Kizee 1 your question was “where does this happen?”
In the UK it does, The Debt management office is an executive arm of HM Treasury ,Its key roles include;
(i) Making new issues of UK govt securities ( gilts).
(ii) Overseeing the secondary market for dealing in gilts with help from the LSE.
The DMO ensures that the government borrows the money it requires to fund its Public Sector Net Cash Requirement (PSNCR).
In the US the Federal Reserve is the depositary of most but not all govt bonds…
Now to our local scenario I believe the CBK has always played its role perfectly until this saga occurred and it only happened because there was a loophole in their system that enabled cunning individuals to manipulate it,remember after the primary the bond issue is scattered amongst different investors and unless reconciliation is done daily so that the issuer gets to know what investor A holds and whats the total figure out there of the original issue there is a problem.
I have a question though in regards to this fraud,lets say 10 Billion is issued via a primary,lets call our bond FXD 1/2013…immediately the primary is completed and various investors have received what they had tendered for you cannot add another 100m on the original primary unless it’s a re-opening …so how did this guys go about it? Coupon payments, secondary trading how was this possible for a long while without red flags being raised….

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Scubidu
#31 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:48:14 AM
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Treasury secretary Henry Rotich said institutional changes are required to give the ministry the capacity to handle the roles as proposed by the Capital Markets Authority following the unauthorised creation and sale of bonds worth Sh105 million.

“We are carrying out institutional reforms and the Debt Management Department is among those targeted. Ultimately, our plan is to manage debt issuance at the Treasury. But it is a gradual process,” said Mr Rotich.

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...8/-/l6d4jcz/-/index.html
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
maka
#32 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:56:37 AM
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[quote=Scubidu]Treasury secretary Henry Rotich said institutional changes are required to give the ministry the capacity to handle the roles as proposed by the Capital Markets Authority following the unauthorised creation and sale of bonds worth Sh105 million.

“We are carrying out institutional reforms and the Debt Management Department is among those targeted. Ultimately, our plan is to manage debt issuance at the Treasury. But it is a gradual process,” said Mr Rotich.

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily.../-/l6d4jcz/-/index.html[/quote]
I honestly dont have problems with this as one person said in this thread get professionals to do the work and pay them handsomely...can someone please help me. with my query above
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Scubidu
#33 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 9:58:26 AM
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maka wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
[quote=Scubidu]The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/its3uv/-/index.html[/quote]


where in the world does this happen?

isnt this a conflict of interest?


@Kizee 1 your question was “where does this happen?”
In the UK it does, The Debt management office is an executive arm of HM Treasury ,Its key roles include;
(i) Making new issues of UK govt securities ( gilts).
(ii) Overseeing the secondary market for dealing in gilts with help from the LSE.
The DMO ensures that the government borrows the money it requires to fund its Public Sector Net Cash Requirement (PSNCR).
In the US the Federal Reserve is the depositary of most but not all govt bonds…
Now to our local scenario I believe the CBK has always played its role perfectly until this saga occurred and it only happened because there was a loophole in their system that enabled cunning individuals to manipulate it,remember after the primary the bond issue is scattered amongst different investors and unless reconciliation is done daily so that the issuer gets to know what investor A holds and whats the total figure out there of the original issue there is a problem.
I have a question though in regards to this fraud,lets say 10 Billion is issued via a primary,lets call our bond FXD 1/2013…immediately the primary is completed and various investors have received what they had tendered for you cannot add another 100m on the original primary unless it’s a re-opening …so how did this guys go about it? Coupon payments, secondary trading how was this possible for a long while without red flags being raised….



my 2 cents.

Prior to this one-off incident CBK had a sterling reputation for debt management across Africa. Treasury is involved in all aspects from deciding which papers to issue, setting quarterly borrowing targets to the management of auctions themselves. So the question here concerns CBK's integrity following the saga and whether they've been successful in harmonizing both the fiscal and monetary policy.

Treasury would have to make considerable investment in people and systems to substitute the experience CBK have in managing debt. This will take time and possibly create the same loopholes much in the same way CBK's IT system change in 2012 contributed to the saga. The fraud was not done in the primary, but criminals took advantage of system transitions to sell (fake) bonds that had been created to test the new system. Commercial banks have also had fraud issues when they’ve switched their IT systems so I don't see how Treasury would be immune to this.

If Treasury were both the custodians and coupon payers then I can only imagine they’ll need further internal oversight because the temptation on Treasury employees could be high to manipulate the registry. My feeling is that daily recons might be a lot of work, though you’d have to ask a banker. But the separation of bond custody (CBK) and payer of coupons (Treasury) was a good strategy. The fraud was picked up as Treasury couldn’t pay coupons higher than they’d budgeted and since these coupons are paid within 6 months periods trading could go on for a while on the secondary.

So I believe this is an issue of effective controls, which can be sorted internally by CBK so it can restore its reputation. It would be interesting to know whether Treasury would coordinate better with CBK to harmonize both the fiscal/monetary policy? Or will they push an agenda that enables them to raise money to finance the budget deficit at the expense of CBK’s monetary policy?

“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
kizee1
#34 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:03:09 AM
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maka wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
[quote=Scubidu]The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/its3uv/-/index.html[/quote]


where in the world does this happen?

isnt this a conflict of interest?


@Kizee 1 your question was “where does this happen?”
In the UK it does, The Debt management office is an executive arm of HM Treasury ,Its key roles include;
(i) Making new issues of UK govt securities ( gilts).
(ii) Overseeing the secondary market for dealing in gilts with help from the LSE.
The DMO ensures that the government borrows the money it requires to fund its Public Sector Net Cash Requirement (PSNCR).
In the US the Federal Reserve is the depositary of most but not all govt bonds…
Now to our local scenario I believe the CBK has always played its role perfectly until this saga occurred and it only happened because there was a loophole in their system that enabled cunning individuals to manipulate it,remember after the primary the bond issue is scattered amongst different investors and unless reconciliation is done daily so that the issuer gets to know what investor A holds and whats the total figure out there of the original issue there is a problem.
I have a question though in regards to this fraud,lets say 10 Billion is issued via a primary,lets call our bond FXD 1/2013…immediately the primary is completed and various investors have received what they had tendered for you cannot add another 100m on the original primary unless it’s a re-opening …so how did this guys go about it? Coupon payments, secondary trading how was this possible for a long while without red flags being raised….



some loopholes were exploited with collusion of cbk staff, the irregular coupon payment is what caused the red flag ie if you issue say x amounts of bonds at coupon rate y then the amount of total coupon payments shud be x*y

now as scubi said earlier,the issue here is that some loopholes were exploited and the fraud occured there is really no prrof that treasury will be any less porous than CBK when it comes to this game

ask yourself whether it is prudent to give treasury control of fiscal and a major aspect of monetary policy..treasury are involved in almost every step of debt issuance as @scubi wud confirm from MLF to sitting in the committee that sets cutoffs on auctions(forget its name)

now treasury has severally acted in a manner that is in direct conflict with whats best for the market as far as auctions go despite the fact that the CB is the fiscal agent, if indeed they now directly issue i really wonder what will become of the debt market
Museveni
#35 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:32:55 AM
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Scubidu wrote:
maka wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
[quote=Scubidu]The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/its3uv/-/index.html[/quote]


where in the world does this happen?

isnt this a conflict of interest?


@Kizee 1 your question was “where does this happen?”
In the UK it does, The Debt management office is an executive arm of HM Treasury ,Its key roles include;
(i) Making new issues of UK govt securities ( gilts).
(ii) Overseeing the secondary market for dealing in gilts with help from the LSE.
The DMO ensures that the government borrows the money it requires to fund its Public Sector Net Cash Requirement (PSNCR).
In the US the Federal Reserve is the depositary of most but not all govt bonds…
Now to our local scenario I believe the CBK has always played its role perfectly until this saga occurred and it only happened because there was a loophole in their system that enabled cunning individuals to manipulate it,remember after the primary the bond issue is scattered amongst different investors and unless reconciliation is done daily so that the issuer gets to know what investor A holds and whats the total figure out there of the original issue there is a problem.
I have a question though in regards to this fraud,lets say 10 Billion is issued via a primary,lets call our bond FXD 1/2013…immediately the primary is completed and various investors have received what they had tendered for you cannot add another 100m on the original primary unless it’s a re-opening …so how did this guys go about it? Coupon payments, secondary trading how was this possible for a long while without red flags being raised….



my 2 cents.

Prior to this one-off incident CBK had a sterling reputation for debt management across Africa. Treasury is involved in all aspects from deciding which papers to issue, setting quarterly borrowing targets to the management of auctions themselves. So the question here concerns CBK's integrity following the saga and whether they've been successful in harmonizing both the fiscal and monetary policy.

Treasury would have to make considerable investment in people and systems to substitute the experience CBK have in managing debt. This will take time and possibly create the same loopholes much in the same way CBK's IT system change in 2012 contributed to the saga. The fraud was not done in the primary, but criminals took advantage of system transitions to sell (fake) bonds that had been created to test the new system. Commercial banks have also had fraud issues when they’ve switched their IT systems so I don't see how Treasury would be immune to this.

If Treasury were both the custodians and coupon payers then I can only imagine they’ll need further internal oversight because the temptation on Treasury employees could be high to manipulate the registry. My feeling is that daily recons might be a lot of work, though you’d have to ask a banker. But the separation of bond custody (CBK) and payer of coupons (Treasury) was a good strategy. The fraud was picked up as Treasury couldn’t pay coupons higher than they’d budgeted and since these coupons are paid within 6 months periods trading could go on for a while on the secondary.

So I believe this is an issue of effective controls, which can be sorted internally by CBK so it can restore its reputation. It would be interesting to know whether Treasury would coordinate better with CBK to harmonize both the fiscal/monetary policy? Or will they push an agenda that enables them to raise money to finance the budget deficit at the expense of CBK’s monetary policy?



@Maka should be OK now.

Quote:
The CBK on Monday admitted for the first time that fraudulent bonds were created during the transition to a new ICT system last year.

“The fraudulent Treasury bonds were created during the migration into the new T-24 system by passing irregular credits into two CDS accounts without the entries being backed by cash payments and this was detected while undertaking reconciliation for interest payments,” said the CBK in response to questions on the matter.


Prior to T24 migration, what system was in place ?
Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
maka
#36 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:09:02 AM
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Thanks guys am good now...
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kizee1
#37 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 2:02:01 PM
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Museveni wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
maka wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
[quote=Scubidu]The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/its3uv/-/index.html[/quote]


where in the world does this happen?

isnt this a conflict of interest?


@Kizee 1 your question was “where does this happen?”
In the UK it does, The Debt management office is an executive arm of HM Treasury ,Its key roles include;
(i) Making new issues of UK govt securities ( gilts).
(ii) Overseeing the secondary market for dealing in gilts with help from the LSE.
The DMO ensures that the government borrows the money it requires to fund its Public Sector Net Cash Requirement (PSNCR).
In the US the Federal Reserve is the depositary of most but not all govt bonds…
Now to our local scenario I believe the CBK has always played its role perfectly until this saga occurred and it only happened because there was a loophole in their system that enabled cunning individuals to manipulate it,remember after the primary the bond issue is scattered amongst different investors and unless reconciliation is done daily so that the issuer gets to know what investor A holds and whats the total figure out there of the original issue there is a problem.
I have a question though in regards to this fraud,lets say 10 Billion is issued via a primary,lets call our bond FXD 1/2013…immediately the primary is completed and various investors have received what they had tendered for you cannot add another 100m on the original primary unless it’s a re-opening …so how did this guys go about it? Coupon payments, secondary trading how was this possible for a long while without red flags being raised….



my 2 cents.

Prior to this one-off incident CBK had a sterling reputation for debt management across Africa. Treasury is involved in all aspects from deciding which papers to issue, setting quarterly borrowing targets to the management of auctions themselves. So the question here concerns CBK's integrity following the saga and whether they've been successful in harmonizing both the fiscal and monetary policy.

Treasury would have to make considerable investment in people and systems to substitute the experience CBK have in managing debt. This will take time and possibly create the same loopholes much in the same way CBK's IT system change in 2012 contributed to the saga. The fraud was not done in the primary, but criminals took advantage of system transitions to sell (fake) bonds that had been created to test the new system. Commercial banks have also had fraud issues when they’ve switched their IT systems so I don't see how Treasury would be immune to this.

If Treasury were both the custodians and coupon payers then I can only imagine they’ll need further internal oversight because the temptation on Treasury employees could be high to manipulate the registry. My feeling is that daily recons might be a lot of work, though you’d have to ask a banker. But the separation of bond custody (CBK) and payer of coupons (Treasury) was a good strategy. The fraud was picked up as Treasury couldn’t pay coupons higher than they’d budgeted and since these coupons are paid within 6 months periods trading could go on for a while on the secondary.

So I believe this is an issue of effective controls, which can be sorted internally by CBK so it can restore its reputation. It would be interesting to know whether Treasury would coordinate better with CBK to harmonize both the fiscal/monetary policy? Or will they push an agenda that enables them to raise money to finance the budget deficit at the expense of CBK’s monetary policy?



@Maka should be OK now.

Quote:
The CBK on Monday admitted for the first time that fraudulent bonds were created during the transition to a new ICT system last year.

“The fraudulent Treasury bonds were created during the migration into the new T-24 system by passing irregular credits into two CDS accounts without the entries being backed by cash payments and this was detected while undertaking reconciliation for interest payments,” said the CBK in response to questions on the matter.


Prior to T24 migration, what system was in place ?



i beleive they had no system before then but i could be wrong
Museveni
#38 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 2:36:30 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
Museveni wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
maka wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
[quote=Scubidu]The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/its3uv/-/index.html[/quote]


where in the world does this happen?

isnt this a conflict of interest?


@Kizee 1 your question was “where does this happen?”
In the UK it does, The Debt management office is an executive arm of HM Treasury ,Its key roles include;
(i) Making new issues of UK govt securities ( gilts).
(ii) Overseeing the secondary market for dealing in gilts with help from the LSE.
The DMO ensures that the government borrows the money it requires to fund its Public Sector Net Cash Requirement (PSNCR).
In the US the Federal Reserve is the depositary of most but not all govt bonds…
Now to our local scenario I believe the CBK has always played its role perfectly until this saga occurred and it only happened because there was a loophole in their system that enabled cunning individuals to manipulate it,remember after the primary the bond issue is scattered amongst different investors and unless reconciliation is done daily so that the issuer gets to know what investor A holds and whats the total figure out there of the original issue there is a problem.
I have a question though in regards to this fraud,lets say 10 Billion is issued via a primary,lets call our bond FXD 1/2013…immediately the primary is completed and various investors have received what they had tendered for you cannot add another 100m on the original primary unless it’s a re-opening …so how did this guys go about it? Coupon payments, secondary trading how was this possible for a long while without red flags being raised….



my 2 cents.

Prior to this one-off incident CBK had a sterling reputation for debt management across Africa. Treasury is involved in all aspects from deciding which papers to issue, setting quarterly borrowing targets to the management of auctions themselves. So the question here concerns CBK's integrity following the saga and whether they've been successful in harmonizing both the fiscal and monetary policy.

Treasury would have to make considerable investment in people and systems to substitute the experience CBK have in managing debt. This will take time and possibly create the same loopholes much in the same way CBK's IT system change in 2012 contributed to the saga. The fraud was not done in the primary, but criminals took advantage of system transitions to sell (fake) bonds that had been created to test the new system. Commercial banks have also had fraud issues when they’ve switched their IT systems so I don't see how Treasury would be immune to this.

If Treasury were both the custodians and coupon payers then I can only imagine they’ll need further internal oversight because the temptation on Treasury employees could be high to manipulate the registry. My feeling is that daily recons might be a lot of work, though you’d have to ask a banker. But the separation of bond custody (CBK) and payer of coupons (Treasury) was a good strategy. The fraud was picked up as Treasury couldn’t pay coupons higher than they’d budgeted and since these coupons are paid within 6 months periods trading could go on for a while on the secondary.

So I believe this is an issue of effective controls, which can be sorted internally by CBK so it can restore its reputation. It would be interesting to know whether Treasury would coordinate better with CBK to harmonize both the fiscal/monetary policy? Or will they push an agenda that enables them to raise money to finance the budget deficit at the expense of CBK’s monetary policy?



@Maka should be OK now.

Quote:
The CBK on Monday admitted for the first time that fraudulent bonds were created during the transition to a new ICT system last year.

“The fraudulent Treasury bonds were created during the migration into the new T-24 system by passing irregular credits into two CDS accounts without the entries being backed by cash payments and this was detected while undertaking reconciliation for interest payments,” said the CBK in response to questions on the matter.


Prior to T24 migration, what system was in place ?



i believe they had no system before then but i could be wrong


cc @Scubidu
Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Scubidu
#39 Posted : Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:27:00 PM
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Posts: 700
Location: Nairobi
Museveni wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
Museveni wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
maka wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
[quote=Scubidu]The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/its3uv/-/index.html[/quote]


where in the world does this happen?

isnt this a conflict of interest?


@Kizee 1 your question was “where does this happen?”
In the UK it does, The Debt management office is an executive arm of HM Treasury ,Its key roles include;
(i) Making new issues of UK govt securities ( gilts).
(ii) Overseeing the secondary market for dealing in gilts with help from the LSE.
The DMO ensures that the government borrows the money it requires to fund its Public Sector Net Cash Requirement (PSNCR).
In the US the Federal Reserve is the depositary of most but not all govt bonds…
Now to our local scenario I believe the CBK has always played its role perfectly until this saga occurred and it only happened because there was a loophole in their system that enabled cunning individuals to manipulate it,remember after the primary the bond issue is scattered amongst different investors and unless reconciliation is done daily so that the issuer gets to know what investor A holds and whats the total figure out there of the original issue there is a problem.
I have a question though in regards to this fraud,lets say 10 Billion is issued via a primary,lets call our bond FXD 1/2013…immediately the primary is completed and various investors have received what they had tendered for you cannot add another 100m on the original primary unless it’s a re-opening …so how did this guys go about it? Coupon payments, secondary trading how was this possible for a long while without red flags being raised….



my 2 cents.

Prior to this one-off incident CBK had a sterling reputation for debt management across Africa. Treasury is involved in all aspects from deciding which papers to issue, setting quarterly borrowing targets to the management of auctions themselves. So the question here concerns CBK's integrity following the saga and whether they've been successful in harmonizing both the fiscal and monetary policy.

Treasury would have to make considerable investment in people and systems to substitute the experience CBK have in managing debt. This will take time and possibly create the same loopholes much in the same way CBK's IT system change in 2012 contributed to the saga. The fraud was not done in the primary, but criminals took advantage of system transitions to sell (fake) bonds that had been created to test the new system. Commercial banks have also had fraud issues when they’ve switched their IT systems so I don't see how Treasury would be immune to this.

If Treasury were both the custodians and coupon payers then I can only imagine they’ll need further internal oversight because the temptation on Treasury employees could be high to manipulate the registry. My feeling is that daily recons might be a lot of work, though you’d have to ask a banker. But the separation of bond custody (CBK) and payer of coupons (Treasury) was a good strategy. The fraud was picked up as Treasury couldn’t pay coupons higher than they’d budgeted and since these coupons are paid within 6 months periods trading could go on for a while on the secondary.

So I believe this is an issue of effective controls, which can be sorted internally by CBK so it can restore its reputation. It would be interesting to know whether Treasury would coordinate better with CBK to harmonize both the fiscal/monetary policy? Or will they push an agenda that enables them to raise money to finance the budget deficit at the expense of CBK’s monetary policy?



@Maka should be OK now.

Quote:
The CBK on Monday admitted for the first time that fraudulent bonds were created during the transition to a new ICT system last year.

“The fraudulent Treasury bonds were created during the migration into the new T-24 system by passing irregular credits into two CDS accounts without the entries being backed by cash payments and this was detected while undertaking reconciliation for interest payments,” said the CBK in response to questions on the matter.


Prior to T24 migration, what system was in place ?



i believe they had no system before then but i could be wrong


cc @Scubidu


Don't know bro.
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Museveni
#40 Posted : Friday, September 06, 2013 9:18:43 AM
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Posts: 660
BD wrote:
The regulator with unenviable task of policing and growing bonds market


Over the past two weeks, the bond market has dominated headlines after it emerged that fraudulent papers worth Sh100.5 million were created and introduced into the market.

The Capital Markets Authority (CMA) flexed its policing muscles by banning half a dozen errant dealers from being employees or directors of its licensees or any listed company.

Some bond dealers have felt that the traders were given excessive punishment, given that they were not in a position to create the fake bonds and only became involved in the scam after the papers had been introduced in the market.
The Central Bank of Kenya (CBK), the sole issuer of government securities, said that the government bond trade scam arose of out of a rogue employee creating and crediting fake accounts with bonds during the banking sector regulator’s IT system changeover, which were then sold to traders.


In 2012 alone, the secondary bond market traded a total of Sh544 billion worth of bonds and this year market turnover has reached nearly Sh320 billion. An innocent buyer cannot possibly detect that a bond is fraudulent since it is assumed that all issues have to pass the strict CBK pre-sale approval process.

This is premised on the fact that CBK, as the sole issuer and custodian of government bonds, cannot allow securities of questionable quality to circulate in the market.

Extremely informal
When CMA first got wind of this scam, it sent out staff to audit some of the affected traders. What they found was a structure of bonds dealing where market making is extremely informal; with many of the day-to-day trades largely originating from the market intermediaries themselves (rarely are retail investors involved).

Competition is extremely intense among banks, fund managers, insurance companies, large investment banks/brokers some of who are widely known to run large bond trading positions of their own. Some of these large players have became even more innovative and established their own arbitrage accounts with some local banks,stretching the current trading regulations as far as is legally possible.

The clear message that the investigators may have picked is that the current market making structure is getting more innovatively complex and the bond market is now in dire need of three key ingredients:

1. a clear margin trading policy to further enhance the use of arbitrage accounts,

2. a well regulated primary dealership structure

&

3. Discount house(s).


All of these structures can only be created with the cooperation and accommodation of the CMA. Such regulations should provide that not everybody should be allowed to participate in a primary auction of government bonds. Retail investors who buy bonds in small quantities should be given a less-punitive window to exit their small positions through the establishment of discount houses.

Most important, the market urgently requires a pricing mechanism so that bids and offers should have defined spreads, a breach of which should attract a penalty.

By working in joint harmony with dealers, the CMA can help to grow bonds dealing to the next level, even as it works on catching and punishing errant traders.
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