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The dumbest moment/comment in 2nd debate
limanika
#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:46:17 AM
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PK: “The land in Kibra is very Prime. We need to sell it and relocate the slum dwellers somewhere else.” He says so without blinking an eye, knowing full well that the reason we have slums is that low income have no option but to create informal settlements next to places of work so they can minimize transport expenses etc. Then none of the other candidates ask him - Where do we relocate the Kibra Residents Mr. PK?
Impunity
#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:01:37 AM
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limanika wrote:
PK: “The land in Kibra is very Prime. We need to sell it and relocate the slum dwellers somewhere else.” He says so without blinking an eye, knowing full well that the reason we have slums is that low income have no option but to create informal settlements next to places of work so they can minimize transport expenses etc. Then none of the other candidates ask him - Where do we relocate the Kibra Residents Mr. PK?


May be relocate them to Mboi-Kamiti plains!
Very weird reasoning there, completely lack of knowledge.
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Zenge
#13 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:10:28 AM
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The Prudential thing really did in Madvd, then wait till he said that he is the one who stopped Goldenberg and then Muite is like 75% of the goldenberg money was paid during Madvds time.... voila!
simonkabz
#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:17:33 AM
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Impunity wrote:
limanika wrote:
Jakom: ...Kibra has a population of 500k plus... PK: it is not right to peddle figures here without any basis. As per the last census, kibera had a total population of 186k... Jakom remains mum


PK also peddled white lies saying that the Mombasa road overpass at Cabanas cannot be completed coz the owner of the land adjacent want a claim equal to the TOTAL COST OF THE EASTERN BYPASS FROM MOMBASA ROAD TO THIKA ROAD.
How much Birrions I cant comprehend!

d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!


How much is the guy claiming? Weka figure wacha porojo. PK is much more credible. I would guess 5b or thereabouts.
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simonkabz
#15 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:24:44 AM
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The bypass project, launched
in 2009 by the president
comprises of three main by-
passes that are meant to
reduce traffic and ease access
and exit from the city. The
Sh8.5 billion by-passes were:
Northern bypass which links
Limuru road to Thika Road;
Eastern bypass which links
Mombasa road to Ruiru-
Kiambu road near Kamiti
prison and the Southern
bypass which runs from
Kikuyu to Mombasa road via
Ngong road & Langata.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
simonkabz
#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:30:15 AM
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REVOCATION OF LAND
TITLES BY GAZETTE NOTICE
ILLEGAL
By Mukaindo Petronella
Isaac Gathungu Wanjohi &
Another Vs the Attorney
General & 6 Others [2012]
eKLR ( www.kenyalaw.org )
High court, at Nairobi-
Constitutional and Human
Rights Division
D.S. Majanja (J)
Date: 30th March, 2012
"The act of respondents
carrying out the revocation of
title through a process that
lacks legal recognition and
thereafter entering the
property of the petitioners is
clear breach of the
petitioners’ due process
rights. Even where the
Constitution does not
recognize rights unlawfully
acquired, it does not give the
State and its agencies a carte
blanche to do as it wishes
outside the confines of the
law."
The High Court has reiterated
the legal position that
revocation of land titles by
way of gazette notices is
unconstitutional and
ineffectual. Holding that such
land revocations must be
through a legally established
mechanism, the
Constitutional and Human
Rights Division of the court
stated that due process of
the law had to be followed
even in cases of compulsory
acquisition of land. It is
immaterial that such land
titles may have been acquired
irregularly because even such
assertions were subject to be
proved through a court
process. It is likewise
irrelevant whether the
process leading to the
revocation is based on
recommendations arising
from a consultative process
such as a task force because
according to the court, such
recommendations have no
force of law and hence cannot
be a substitute to following
the due process of the law.
This holding arose from yet
another case that concerns
land that is situated at the
junction of Airport Road
and the Mombasa-Nairobi
Road and is part of land that
was intended for construction
of the Eastern Bypass. The
Ministry of Roads, the
commissioner of Lands and
Kenya Urban Roads Authority
were some of the
respondents in this petition.
The petitioners in this case
contended that the trespass
upon their land was an
infringement of their right to
property protected under
Article 40 of the Constitution.
Dr Kuria, counsel for the
petitioners emphasized on
the doctrine of indefeasibility
of title and the protections
afforded to property by the
Constitution of Kenya and
maintained that the grant
issued to the petitioners
constituted a contractual
obligation by the State which
could not be revoked at a
whim without due process.
The counsel further relied on
the case of Kuria Greens
Limited v Registrar of Titles
and Another [2011] eKLR
where the court held that the
Registrar of Titles had no
authority to cancel a land title
by way of gazette notice and
that only a court could do so
when the title in question was
been obtained through fraud
and or mistake and only
where it was not a first
registration.
It was the petitioners’
assertion that it was the
state’s duty to uphold the law
and it was unacceptable for it
to use the nature of the
project to circumvent the
provisions of law. The
petitioners argued that in so
far as the state had acted
arbitrarily and failed to
observe the law, it was liable
for damages and asked the
court to grant amounts
totaling to kshs 7.5 million,
being an award for general
and exemplary damages
against the respondents.
The petitioners further sought
for a court declaration that
the respondents had
contravened their right to
property under Article 40(1)
and (3) of the Constitution
and asked the court to grant a
permanent injunction
restraining the respondents
from allowing the Eastern
by-pass to pass across their
land or any further
interference with the suit
property.
The respondents on the other
hand contended that the land
in question had been planned
and set aside as a buffer zone
for Mombasa Road way back
in the 1980’s and that the
zone was intended for the
future expansion of
Mombasa Road. Mr Mutinda,
state counsel representing the
respondents argued that
registration of the petitioners
as proprietor of the suit
property was fraudulent
because it knowingly and
wrongfully defeated the
unregistered interest of the
Ministry of Roads to the road
buffer zone set aside for
Mombasa Road expansion
and that therefore, the
petitioners did not deserve
protection of the court in
accordance with Article 40(6)
of the Constitution
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
simonkabz
#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:34:10 AM
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Simply because pamba never shined nor inspired doesn't mean others didn't. PK was very right. That fellow is demanding 7.5b whereas the Eastern Bypass cost less than 5b. Watu waache kupayukapayuka payu payu.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Lolest!
#18 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:41:47 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
Simply because pamba never shined nor inspired doesn't mean others didn't. PK was very right. That fellow is demanding 7.5b whereas the Eastern Bypass cost less than 5b. Watu waache kupayukapayuka payu payu.

didnt quite understand...I thought compulsory acquisition act gives govt the right to value your land and improvements thereon, add a disturbance figure at 15pc and take your land
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
simonkabz
#19 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:45:52 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Simply because pamba never shined nor inspired doesn't mean others didn't. PK was very right. That fellow is demanding 7.5b whereas the Eastern Bypass cost less than 5b. Watu waache kupayukapayuka payu payu.

didnt quite understand...I thought compulsory acquisition act gives govt the right to value your land and improvements thereon, add a disturbance figure at 15pc and take your land


Buda mimi hiyo ingine sijui, but iko watu wanataka paka tope mtu nguyaz coz he didn't attack UK.
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grolut
#20 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:39:45 PM
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@simonkabz, where is the 7.5 billion figure coming from?
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