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Tyrany of numbers: AHMEDNASIR ABDULLAHI's version
Amores
#11 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:07:59 PM
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So he is just repeating the tyranny of numbers? Nothing new.... sounds like he wrote it in hurry before CORD churns out another propaganda Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

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#12 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:11:16 PM
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not long ago, in a place far far away, and repeated in many many lands, someone told Romney that the polls were skewed. And that was the end of the story.

It's the last week, go vote and chill out. Don't go fighting and keep the peace. A shot of Jack Daniels Black will do you a hella good.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:48:52 PM
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Amores wrote:
So he is just repeating the tyranny of numbers? Nothing new.... sounds like he wrote it in hurry before CORD churns out another propaganda Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Lord help us

DNA ni TNA


It sounds kinda shallow....He has always been a critical brain so i expected a deep convincing analysis.
shocks
#14 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:00:44 AM
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innairobi wrote:
Like AA, I agree that contrary to the opinion polls, this election has a strong likelihood of ending in the first round. But I cannot go as far as predicting with certainty which of the two horses will win.

My TWO biggest concerns on the opinion polls vis a vis the elections are the following:

1. Up to now the pollsters are relying on an oral affirmation that their interviewee is a registered voter (they do not ask for any proof). IEBC was targeting 18 million voters so theoretically, they fell short by 4 million. In my view, the true number of unregistered persons lies between 5 and 6 million. You can deduce this from several factors including IEBC's obvious underestimation of the number of voters in a couple of non-urban counties where the number of registered voters exceeded 95%.

Remember even in these counties where registration met or exceeded the target, there are still thousands of people who did not see the need to (or could not e.g. health reasons) register. This is a common sense statistic. Tom Wolf once said as much when he alluded to roughly 30% of their respondents not being registered voters (and were therefore lying) though the journalist he was speaking to for some reason did not see the need to further prod this startling admission.

Why is this startling? Because if there was significant disparity in the success rate for voter registration between the bedrock counties of the two leading candidates, the opinion polls may differ significantly from the reality on the ground.


2. Turnout. Turnout. T-U-R-N-O-U-T. Even when they talk about it, the pollsters are tucking any mention of this critical factor deep in the heart of their reports. The politicians obviously understand its importance but still, the pollsters should yell this from every rooftop they can find. For instance, ff one side manages 85% average turnout in its strongholds and the other does a 65% average, the game is over.


If there is going to be chaos in Kenya, my view is that it is these two factors that may likely precipitate massive disenchantment among the loser's supporters, lend credence to rigging claims (a gap much larger than the opinion polls predicted) and throw the credibility of the elections into question (never mind that this will be a matter of perception).



I can't agree more with point no. 2, the sampling method and distribution of sample size per county done by ipsos is very wrong as they assumed 100% turn out all over the country yet we all know central, nyanza and central rift will have higher turn outs than kisii, western, coast and north eastern. so allocating sample size based simply on registered votes will give a lower result to parties whose strongholds will record higher turnouts
story teller
#15 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:55:00 AM
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washiku wrote:
@ahmednasirlaw: In my Sunday column this week I will make the most accurate projections on who between Uhuru and Raila will win on 4th. See you then.

In the meantime, a few pointers:

@ahmednasirlaw: 1. 4th march presidential election will be determined by the primary and secondary tribes. The four primary tribes are on the tickets.

@ahmednasirlaw: 2. The registered votes of the primary tribes in jubilee are about 6.4m. In cord the primary tribes the registered votes are about 3.5 m.

@ahmednasirlaw: 3. The four primary tribes account for 60% of the total registered votes. The secondary tribes, the rest.

@ahmednasirlaw: 4. For there to be a run off between Uhuru and Raila, the latter must win about 90% of the votes of the secondary tribes.

@ahmednasirlaw: 5. There is nothing inherently wrong with voting along tribal lines. Tribes are who we are! Ni sawa!




This election was decided on December 18th..tis the reason why Cord is spending
sleepless nights..my only prayer is that they concede gracefully but evidence on the ground paints a different picture..hope they dont ngoa the whole reli from Mombasa to Malaba.

On a different note, reliable sources tell me that the Keroche lady bought the 47 land cruisers for Cord.
It's not hard to make decisions when you know what your values are.
innairobi
#16 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:58:08 AM
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What a coincidence. Ama great minds think alike? Hehehe. Tom Wolf has an article in today's paper saying more or less the same thing i.e. admitting that there is a realistic possibility of this thing ending in the first round.

http://elections.nation..../-/11ypool/-/index.html


innairobi wrote:
Like AA, I agree that contrary to the opinion polls, this election has a strong likelihood of ending in the first round. But I cannot go as far as predicting with certainty which of the two horses will win.

My TWO biggest concerns on the opinion polls vis a vis the elections are the following:

1. Up to now the pollsters are relying on an oral affirmation that their interviewee is a registered voter (they do not ask for any proof). IEBC was targeting 18 million voters so theoretically, they fell short by 4 million. In my view, the true number of unregistered persons lies between 5 and 6 million. You can deduce this from several factors including IEBC's obvious underestimation of the number of voters in a couple of non-urban counties where the number of registered voters exceeded 95%.

Remember even in these counties where registration met or exceeded the target, there are still thousands of people who did not see the need to (or could not e.g. health reasons) register. This is a common sense statistic. Tom Wolf once said as much when he alluded to roughly 30% of their respondents not being registered voters (and were therefore lying) though the journalist he was speaking to for some reason did not see the need to further prod this startling admission.

Why is this startling? Because if there was significant disparity in the success rate for voter registration between the bedrock counties of the two leading candidates, the opinion polls may differ significantly from the reality on the ground.


2. Turnout. Turnout. T-U-R-N-O-U-T. Even when they talk about it, the pollsters are tucking any mention of this critical factor deep in the heart of their reports. The politicians obviously understand its importance but still, the pollsters should yell this from every rooftop they can find. For instance, ff one side manages 85% average turnout in its strongholds and the other does a 65% average, the game is over.


If there is going to be chaos in Kenya, my view is that it is these two factors that may likely precipitate massive disenchantment among the loser's supporters, lend credence to rigging claims (a gap much larger than the opinion polls predicted) and throw the credibility of the elections into question (never mind that this will be a matter of perception).
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#17 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:53:13 AM
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Was Nasirs article edited or he just copy pasted ngunyis work?
yekeyeke
#18 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:22:40 PM
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The article is simply a reconfirmation of Mutahi Ngunyis masterstroke, titled the Tyranny of Numbers and its CONCLUSIVE... Check this out.....

-contest is heavily tilted in favour of Mr Uhuru Kenyatta and his running mate, Mr William Ruto
-In this regard, Mr Raila Odinga and Mr Kalonzo Musyoka will bring to the ballot box about 3.5 million of their two primary tribes from across the country. Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto will between them bring 6.6 million votes from their primary tribes.
-In the contest between the primary tribes, Mr Odinga and Mr Musyoka have a huge mountain to climb. The numerical advantage enjoyed by Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto is the most pivotal and one-sided determinant factor in any election in the history of this country.

The tragedy for Mr Odinga and Mr Musyoka is that since the primary tribes cast their ballot on a tribal basis, they are rationally powerless to influence and mitigate their crippling disadvantage in this regard.
-For Mr Odinga to recover the deficit he suffers in the primary tribes’ contest, he must get 100 per cent of the votes cast in western Kenya, Coast, northern Kenya and in Kisii Nyanza.
-That might sound unrealistic, but only the happening of such a difficult feat will take the contest into the second round. The more realistic but unhelpful forecast is that Mr Odinga is the odds on favourite to win these regions with percentages ranging from 50 to 70 per cent of the vote.

And he finishes by writing:-
-Some Kenyans refuse to appreciate the obvious. We are a society that is tribal in our manifestations.

SAME AS THE TYRANNY OF NUMBERS. JUBILEE WON THIS THING ON THE 18 DEC WHEN VOTER REGISTRATION ENDED.....

ali
#19 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:55:04 PM
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yekeyeke wrote:
The article is simply a reconfirmation of Mutahi Ngunyis masterstroke, titled the Tyranny of Numbers and its CONCLUSIVE... Check this out.....

-contest is heavily tilted in favour of Mr Uhuru Kenyatta and his running mate, Mr William Ruto
-In this regard, Mr Raila Odinga and Mr Kalonzo Musyoka will bring to the ballot box about 3.5 million of their two primary tribes from across the country. Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto will between them bring 6.6 million votes from their primary tribes.
-In the contest between the primary tribes, Mr Odinga and Mr Musyoka have a huge mountain to climb. The numerical advantage enjoyed by Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto is the most pivotal and one-sided determinant factor in any election in the history of this country.

The tragedy for Mr Odinga and Mr Musyoka is that since the primary tribes cast their ballot on a tribal basis, they are rationally powerless to influence and mitigate their crippling disadvantage in this regard.
-For Mr Odinga to recover the deficit he suffers in the primary tribes’ contest, he must get 100 per cent of the votes cast in western Kenya, Coast, northern Kenya and in Kisii Nyanza.
-That might sound unrealistic, but only the happening of such a difficult feat will take the contest into the second round. The more realistic but unhelpful forecast is that Mr Odinga is the odds on favourite to win these regions with percentages ranging from 50 to 70 per cent of the vote.

And he finishes by writing:-
-Some Kenyans refuse to appreciate the obvious. We are a society that is tribal in our manifestations.

SAME AS THE TYRANNY OF NUMBERS. JUBILEE WON THIS THING ON THE 18 DEC WHEN VOTER REGISTRATION ENDED.....



This is what we need to Do:
•Go out on 4th to vote
•Commit to keep peace.
•Pray for the best.
•Be ready to accept outcome
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#20 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 1:44:55 PM
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Makau Mutua in the SN makes some sweeping statements. Ruto will only give Njumbirii 40% from his backyard with cord and amani sharing the rest. Njumbirii to get zero in ukambani. Uhuru will carry every vote of the Kikuyu. Raila will win round 1.
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