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Kabando wa Kabambe
Burning Spear
#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:33:24 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Very shallow argument at Citizen's Monday special.
CORD has vowed not to present themselves in the next Monday's debate if Kabando wa Whatever will be the one representing Chuprii.

His entire education was wasted years

Shame on you Shame on you


I had to check again who posted this ....It had to be @ Impunity, so nothing new.
Wait for the March 4th results then we shall know whether the polls were cooked or not.
"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
McReggae
#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:36:12 AM
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Location: Nairobi
Burning Spear wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Very shallow argument at Citizen's Monday special.
CORD has vowed not to present themselves in the next Monday's debate if Kabando wa Whatever will be the one representing Chuprii.

His entire education was wasted years

Shame on you Shame on you


I had to check again who posted this ....It had to be @ Impunity, so nothing new.
Wait for the March 4th results then we shall know whether the polls were cooked or not.


You should have checked what he said on TV yesterday, Even sworn Jubilants castigated him on social media for losing kamwana votes with his empty arguments!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Obi 1 Kanobi
#13 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:37:20 AM
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2012 wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Very shallow argument at Citizen's Monday special.
CORD has vowed not to present themselves in the next Monday's debate if Kabando wa Whatever will be the one representing Chuprii.

His entire education was wasted years


That would be stupid of CORD. Instead of boycotting they should present a sane well co-ordinated and informed approach, let Kabando make a fool of Jubilee and let the viewer decide. In politics you never give in until the fat lady sings!


I agree with you, CORD should not boycott anything. Kabando's mandate at this Monday meetings is to trash the opinion polls as long as they show RAO leading.

CORD must man up and find someone who can counter him week in week out. Getting a different person every week bringing different views is not good strategy.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Jaina
#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:33:51 AM
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2012 wrote:
Jaina wrote:
Chupirii should leave CORD TV alone.


But CORD Tv invited Chupirii. It's less than a month to elections, this are not opportunities you turn down. I think Kabando had a point, imagine if K24 commissioned polls that show UK leading and you have a CORD guest to analyze?



Regardless of which methodology is used, the said scientific studies have one sole purpose. To give an indication on the possible outcome. There will always be BUTs and IF's

Trying to diapprove them like the way Kabando did is absolutely unnecessary. You DONOT disapprove in advance the forecast by a weatherman.

If Ngwata Francis says there is a chance for rains in Nairobi next week, Nunua mwavuli and criticize the prediction afterwards.

LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE!

You
McReggae
#15 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:41:19 AM
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......and he conveniently agreed with the said polls regarding disatisfaction with the party primaries!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
nostoppingthis
#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:48:55 AM
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Jaina wrote:
2012 wrote:
Jaina wrote:
Chupirii should leave CORD TV alone.


But CORD Tv invited Chupirii. It's less than a month to elections, this are not opportunities you turn down. I think Kabando had a point, imagine if K24 commissioned polls that show UK leading and you have a CORD guest to analyze?



Regardless of which methodology is used, the said scientific studies have one sole purpose. To give an indication on the possible outcome. There will always be BUTs and IF's

Trying to diapprove them like the way Kabando did is absolutely unnecessary. You DONOT disapprove in advance the forecast by a weatherman.

If Ngwata Francis says there is a chance for rains in Nairobi next week, Nunua mwavuli and criticize the prediction afterwards.

LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE!

You


I like the way you guys go around preaching this!!! (in the hope that "we have the numbers). If your preferred presidential candidate quit his minesterial position because of a pending court case at ICC, why should he then be a president with the same court case pending?
Liv
#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:08:13 AM
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Kabando highlighted the differences in regional results between the pollsters... sometimes the difference in a region was higher than 10%.

Another point is that .... the pollsters have been changing the sampling methodology along the way in the last 3 weeks after his criticism. e.g. the first poll did not have the data by counties which was added later. Sample sizes have been changed along the way too.

IPSOS agreed that the differences in regions between the pollsters could not be avoided as the sample size per region is too small and hence the margin error must be high.

IPSOS also agreed that the polls could be misleading with respect to gender and age of the sample. The IEBC has not released details about the age and gender of registered voters per region. So each pollster is making their assumptions with regard to this...which could be very different from the actual population of registered voters.

The pollsters owned up that the 95% of people they contacted claimed to be registered voters yet only 30% of the country population is registered. (14 / 40 million). That means there could be an issue of respondents cheating they are registered when they are not.... thus affecting the poll results. some Kenyans in the poll are definitely cheating.

The above are real issues with the polls. Others factors like the terrain of Africa and illiteracy levels make it difficult to have credible polls.

In USA where the communities are more homogeneous and literate, you would expect pools to be precise and better, yet in 2012 the polls were showing a dead heat between Obama and Romney (too close to call) up to the last minute. Yet the final election results was like a landslide for Obama.... quite different from what the polls were showing.

That is why I have been saying none of the poll results could be relied on. So I support what Kabando was saying. These poll results could not be relied upon.
Liv
#18 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:09:50 AM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
Jaina wrote:
2012 wrote:
Jaina wrote:
Chupirii should leave CORD TV alone.


But CORD Tv invited Chupirii. It's less than a month to elections, this are not opportunities you turn down. I think Kabando had a point, imagine if K24 commissioned polls that show UK leading and you have a CORD guest to analyze?



Regardless of which methodology is used, the said scientific studies have one sole purpose. To give an indication on the possible outcome. There will always be BUTs and IF's

Trying to diapprove them like the way Kabando did is absolutely unnecessary. You DONOT disapprove in advance the forecast by a weatherman.

If Ngwata Francis says there is a chance for rains in Nairobi next week, Nunua mwavuli and criticize the prediction afterwards.

LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE!

You


I like the way you guys go around preaching this!!! (in the hope that "we have the numbers). If your preferred presidential candidate quit his minesterial position because of a pending court case at ICC, why should he then be a president with the same court case pending?



and why didn't he quit as Deputy prime minister?
McReggae
#19 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:17:25 AM
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Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Igonorance nayo: So 40M kenyans are eligible to vote???
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Obi 1 Kanobi
#20 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:35:08 AM
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Liv wrote:
Kabando highlighted the differences in regional results between the pollsters... sometimes the difference in a region was higher than 10%.

Another point is that .... the pollsters have been changing the sampling methodology along the way in the last 3 weeks after his criticism. e.g. the first poll did not have the data by counties which was added later. Sample sizes have been changed along the way too.

IPSOS agreed that the differences in regions between the pollsters could not be avoided as the sample size per region is too small and hence the margin error must be high.

IPSOS also agreed that the polls could be misleading with respect to gender and age of the sample. The IEBC has not released details about the age and gender of registered voters per region. So each pollster is making their assumptions with regard to this...which could be very different from the actual population of registered voters.

The pollsters owned up that the 95% of people they contacted claimed to be registered voters yet only 30% of the country population is registered. (14 / 40 million). That means there could be an issue of respondents cheating they are registered when they are not.... thus affecting the poll results. some Kenyans in the poll are definitely cheating.

The above are real issues with the polls. Others factors like the terrain of Africa and illiteracy levels make it difficult to have credible polls.

In USA where the communities are more homogeneous and literate, you would expect pools to be precise and better, yet in 2012 the polls were showing a dead heat between Obama and Romney (too close to call) up to the last minute. Yet the final election results was like a landslide for Obama.... quite different from what the polls were showing.

That is why I have been saying none of the poll results could be relied on. So I support what Kabando was saying. These poll results could not be relied upon.


Why are you following Kabando into that hole, the disparities between pollsters at regional level may exist but at the end of the day when they tally their national polls, they arrive at the same conclusions at the national level so let it go. Its like trying to argue that the polls prediction of a UHURUTO sweep in Central is inaccurate.

As to those registered, my take is anyone who didn't register is unlikely to again fall into the pollsters net, they are somewhere stuck in some hole. Plus you have to consider that our population is 60% under 18 years of age.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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