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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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tycho wrote:Voting for a manifesto is as crazy as voting for a map. While voting for a personality is as crazy as taking a mat without knowing where it's going but hoping the handsome and affable driver will take you there.  He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2009 Posts: 348
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waza wrote:its a tough call,.
For Messi's chances to be realistic,... he has to be given the ball early.. not with a month or two to go.. He is not a natural poacher.
Ruto's/Uhuru's political bases may not automatically vote as a block if a major change is done last minute especially if the two are not on ballot paper as presidential candidate or Running mate @waza i agree with you totally.i dont understand all the fascination with messi and the guy is still polling under 5%.It is a dangerous game to have sold UK to the people and then all over sudden say Messi is the guy.He has no charisma,cannot attract crowds on his own and he has simply been unable to connect with the voter.What is it this guyz pushing for him to be flag bearer know that the rest of us dont know.is there going to be a magic wand waved and all UK and Ruto followers will come voting for him.Messi is a weak candidate and i just dont see him beating Rao.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2009 Posts: 348
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matata wrote:My only worry is, all this supporters from all sides, they show up in large numbers yet only a few have registered. May be IEBC should give us finally figures of which counties have registered more pple, then we can start working out the equations. The figures are out there watch citizen tv online or ktn i think up until thursday 6.56m people had registered.nairobi,central,rift,som parts of nyanza make up a good portion of the 6.5m.lets wait and see what happens in the next 2 week but if this similar trend continues i think some people should start getting worried. here is the citizen clip http://www.youtube.com/w...CmDxSdRm3g&index=54
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2009 Posts: 348
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Ash Ock wrote:King G wrote:if Messi goes to ballot with Pele, then game over. Pele will see dust. all the western/riftvalley/centro votes are in the bag. i hope UMK will not stop this. Uhuru knows this. Messi is the best chance for the TNA alliance to take the next elections. Ruto, ever the sly one, has probably seen the writing on the wall. The 40 odd or so MP’s from central who made noise were probably told the truth. We Kenyans have a particular way of voting (and calling  ). We never vote based on manifestos (what’s that?) or anything else except personalities. We either vote for someone we like or against someone we dislike more than the other. If Uhuru and RAO are the two front runners, Central would vote for Uhuru, Rift Valley against Uhuru (2008 PEV, historical land issues, and yet another Kikuyu), coast against Uhuru (land issues) and Western for RAO. RAO wins the elections. If Messi and RAO are the two front runners, Central would vote against RAO (surprised?), Rift Valley against RAO, coast against RAO and Western for Messi. Messi wins the elections. That’s why RAO fears running against Messi more than Uhuru. Never underestimate the power of fear.i wouldn't say it will be easier for Rao if Uk was on the ballot.Many kenyans fear a Rao presidency and that fear will carry the day if Uk is on the ballot.it is not black and white as you put it.Messi iss not that popular
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2010 Posts: 495 Location: Nairobi
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itz wrote:Never underestimate the power of fear.i wouldn't say it will be easier for Rao if Uk was on the ballot.Many kenyans fear a Rao presidency and that fear will carry the day if Uk is on the ballot.it is not black and white as you put it.Messi iss not that popular
I never wrote that Messi is popular. What I wrote is that Kenyans either vote for or against someone, with own tribe being the foremost criteria. That’s the whole key. For example, if it were only RAO and Tuju vying for the presidency, Central would overwhelmingly vote against RAO and not for Tuju because he’s more popular. Same scenario but Nyanza; RAO would trump and Tuju would lose big time. Now if it were only Kenneth / Uhuru and Nyanza had to choose between the two, who do they loath (maybe fear) more? Get the difference? Now see why RAO desperately wants to run against Uhuru and not Messi. Look where RAO’s first campaigning stop was after the coalition agreements. RAO fears Messi and it’s not because he’s more popular. RAO understands tribal voting patterns. Sent from my Black Nokia 3310
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@ash ock, you nailed it. Fear and love will be the main determinants. @itz, Kenyans fear Raila? I dont think so. Kenyans from certain voting blocs fear Raila.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Ash Ock wrote:King G wrote:if Messi goes to ballot with Pele, then game over. Pele will see dust. all the western/riftvalley/centro votes are in the bag. i hope UMK will not stop this. Uhuru knows this. Messi is the best chance for the TNA alliance to take the next elections. Ruto, ever the sly one, has probably seen the writing on the wall. The 40 odd or so MP’s from central who made noise were probably told the truth. We Kenyans have a particular way of voting (and calling ). We never vote based on manifestos (what’s that?) or anything else except personalities. We either vote for someone we like or against someone we dislike more than the other. If Uhuru and RAO are the two front runners, Central would vote for Uhuru, Rift Valley against Uhuru (2008 PEV, historical land issues, and yet another Kikuyu), coast against Uhuru (land issues) and Western for RAO. RAO wins the elections. If Messi and RAO are the two front runners, Central would vote against RAO (surprised?), Rift Valley against RAO, coast against RAO and Western for Messi. Messi wins the elections. That’s why RAO fears running against Messi more than Uhuru. .....The truth.Nothing but the truth!...but be ready for barbs from supporters of the one who was born with a ballot box in his hands http://www.capitalfm.co....-candidate-for-jubilee/
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/25/2012 Posts: 1,624 Location: Langley
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I used to hear similar stories in 2007. Only Kalonzo can defeat Kibaki, kenya isn't ready for luo presidency... Mudavadi had months to convince ODM delegates to elect him but he bolted out of the race how will he convince the delegates he has never met once to vote for him? Will they vote at county level as he had advocated while in ODM? If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/25/2012 Posts: 1,624 Location: Langley
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Njung'e wrote:Ash Ock wrote:King G wrote:if Messi goes to ballot with Pele, then game over. Pele will see dust. all the western/riftvalley/centro votes are in the bag. i hope UMK will not stop this. Uhuru knows this. Messi is the best chance for the TNA alliance to take the next elections. Ruto, ever the sly one, has probably seen the writing on the wall. The 40 odd or so MP’s from central who made noise were probably told the truth. We Kenyans have a particular way of voting (and calling ). We never vote based on manifestos (what’s that?) or anything else except personalities. We either vote for someone we like or against someone we dislike more than the other. If Uhuru and RAO are the two front runners, Central would vote for Uhuru, Rift Valley against Uhuru (2008 PEV, historical land issues, and yet another Kikuyu), coast against Uhuru (land issues) and Western for RAO. RAO wins the elections. If Messi and RAO are the two front runners, Central would vote against RAO (surprised?), Rift Valley against RAO, coast against RAO and Western for Messi. Messi wins the elections. That’s why RAO fears running against Messi more than Uhuru. .....The truth.Nothing but the truth!...but be ready for barbs from supporters of the one who was born with a ballot box in his hands http://www.capitalfm.co....-candidate-for-jubilee/
The opinion poll was conducted on 7 political regions that include; Mombasa, Machakos, Nairobi, Garissa, Nakuru, kisumu and Kakamega. Why did they ignore Central province? If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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18th tuesday d-day for MDVD 20 delegates 47 counties 3 parties if he looses he is vapourised politically if he wins he becomes president elect waiting to be confirmed on march 4th and how did the 3 after meeting for may be 5hrs manage to call their coalition jubilee which coincidentally kenya will be having jubilee celebrations next year or this guys are following a script
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Ash Ock wrote:King G wrote:if Messi goes to ballot with Pele, then game over. Pele will see dust. all the western/riftvalley/centro votes are in the bag. i hope UMK will not stop this. Uhuru knows this. Messi is the best chance for the TNA alliance to take the next elections. Ruto, ever the sly one, has probably seen the writing on the wall. The 40 odd or so MP’s from central who made noise were probably told the truth. We Kenyans have a particular way of voting (and calling ). We never vote based on manifestos (what’s that?) or anything else except personalities. We either vote for someone we like or against someone we dislike more than the other. If Uhuru and RAO are the two front runners, Central would vote for Uhuru, Rift Valley against Uhuru (2008 PEV, historical land issues, and yet another Kikuyu), coast against Uhuru (land issues) and Western for RAO. RAO wins the elections. If Messi and RAO are the two front runners, Central would vote against RAO (surprised?), Rift Valley against RAO, coast against RAO and Western for Messi. Messi wins the elections. That’s why RAO fears running against Messi more than Uhuru. Excellent analysis. Straight to the point n succinctly put. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/12/2007 Posts: 391
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simonkabz wrote:Ash Ock wrote:King G wrote:if Messi goes to ballot with Pele, then game over. Pele will see dust. all the western/riftvalley/centro votes are in the bag. i hope UMK will not stop this. Uhuru knows this. Messi is the best chance for the TNA alliance to take the next elections. Ruto, ever the sly one, has probably seen the writing on the wall. The 40 odd or so MP’s from central who made noise were probably told the truth. We Kenyans have a particular way of voting (and calling ). We never vote based on manifestos (what’s that?) or anything else except personalities. We either vote for someone we like or against someone we dislike more than the other. If Uhuru and RAO are the two front runners, Central would vote for Uhuru, Rift Valley against Uhuru (2008 PEV, historical land issues, and yet another Kikuyu), coast against Uhuru (land issues) and Western for RAO. RAO wins the elections. If Messi and RAO are the two front runners, Central would vote against RAO (surprised?), Rift Valley against RAO, coast against RAO and Western for Messi. Messi wins the elections. That’s why RAO fears running against Messi more than Uhuru. Excellent analysis. Straight to the point n succinctly put. Viewpoint of concurrence.Why say more? Age is transforming me into an Elder;becoz Admin hasn't made me one.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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So, if Messy is the flag bearer, UMK is ready to play surbodinate to Messy and WSR? I think not...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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nostoppingthis wrote:So, if Messy is the flag bearer, UMK is ready to play surbodinate to Messy and WSR? I think not... I think UMK is prepared to "lose" to MDVD and all he is doing now is preparing his "people for that "eventuality".Here is why i think so.Each party will provide 20 delegates from each county,thus each party will have a total of 940 delegates.There will be two contestants and thus, for a start UMK and MDVD will each have 940 votes assumably.......which leaves URP delegates to determine the winner.....Which way the URP delegates ??....my two Zim cents. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2009 Posts: 348
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Mastermind wrote:Njung'e wrote:Ash Ock wrote:King G wrote:if Messi goes to ballot with Pele, then game over. Pele will see dust. all the western/riftvalley/centro votes are in the bag. i hope UMK will not stop this. Uhuru knows this. Messi is the best chance for the TNA alliance to take the next elections. Ruto, ever the sly one, has probably seen the writing on the wall. The 40 odd or so MP’s from central who made noise were probably told the truth. We Kenyans have a particular way of voting (and calling ). We never vote based on manifestos (what’s that?) or anything else except personalities. We either vote for someone we like or against someone we dislike more than the other. If Uhuru and RAO are the two front runners, Central would vote for Uhuru, Rift Valley against Uhuru (2008 PEV, historical land issues, and yet another Kikuyu), coast against Uhuru (land issues) and Western for RAO. RAO wins the elections. If Messi and RAO are the two front runners, Central would vote against RAO (surprised?), Rift Valley against RAO, coast against RAO and Western for Messi. Messi wins the elections. That’s why RAO fears running against Messi more than Uhuru. .....The truth.Nothing but the truth!...but be ready for barbs from supporters of the one who was born with a ballot box in his hands http://www.capitalfm.co....-candidate-for-jubilee/
The opinion poll was conducted on 7 political regions that include; Mombasa, Machakos, Nairobi, Garissa, Nakuru, kisumu and Kakamega. Why did they ignore Central province? @mastermind i ask myself the same question.I ask wazuans to look at the numbers to date for voter registration.I think there is something happening there and people should start paying attention.I still maintain that Messy would be a weak candidate he cannot go toe to toe with the ODM heavy hitters
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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Njung'e wrote:nostoppingthis wrote:So, if Messy is the flag bearer, UMK is ready to play surbodinate to Messy and WSR? I think not... I think UMK is prepared to "lose" to MDVD and all he is doing now is preparing his "people for that "eventuality".Here is why i think so.Each party will provide 20 delegates from each county,thus each party will have a total of 940 delegates.There will be two contestants and thus, for a start UMK and MDVD will each have 940 votes assumably.......which leaves URP delegates to determine the winner.....Which way the URP delegates ??....my two Zim cents.  word on the ground is that URP is voting for MM, unless of cause UMK lines their pockets to swing the vote...they have their chance to milk this man! lakini pia wajue pesa yake haendangi bure...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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itz wrote:
@mastermind i ask myself the same question.I ask wazuans to look at the numbers to date for voter registration.I think there is something happening there and people should start paying attention.I still maintain that Messy would be a weak candidate he cannot go toe to toe with the ODM heavy hitters
mdvd is light weight so they won't hit him
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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@Nostoppingthis.....Its UMK who is running the show.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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TAZ wrote:@Nostoppingthis.....Its UMK who is running the show. How will he control MM, once MM is the main guy at Statehouse? Ama once a puppet, always a puppet?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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@nostop, Nominations will be by secret ballot. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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