@guru, In all due respect, you are talking nonsense. As a shareholder you are better of when they convert. If the don't UAP will be in shitting problems. It means UAP will have to repay the 4.7Billion. The last time I looked UAP was not sitting on those kind of cashflows and if you look at the projects the funds have gone into, none is a medium term project they are all long term projects will tangible returns far out ...real estate in 3 countries, ICT, DRC, Rwanda, Tanzania, UAP Life, UAP financial Services, UAP investment, reorganization etc. look at note 14.2-pg 137 and 15.1 page 141. The loans are also 2 year loans and if UAP doesn't list in 2014, the PE investors will covert at KES 57/ share or call the loan all together. The big risk / elephant in the room - Other than Sudan and Sudan real estate, highly unlikely any of the other projects will be profitable even in 2015, meaning the 57 may look very expensive to PE investors if the projects turn out to be cash drains/loss making suggesting the PE investor may exercise the following 3 options 1. Chose to call on the debt as opposed to conversion which will force UAP to sell it's nice high earning assets to repay the debt 2. Opt to cherry pick the assets they like in a sweetheart deal arrangement and protect the business from going to the market to sell in distress 3. In the extreme circumstances armtwist UAP shareholders into a new and lower conversion price. These are real possibilities. With the economy stuttering and Uganda slowly sliding to dogworld, it may take time to get fully occupancy into the tower in Kenya and the property in Uganda. Mind you there are other long term lenders who will be waiting for repayment of debt once the buildins are complete. Rwanda is a small market and will take long to produce anything tangible. DRC is wild wide West, you can make and loose money that easily. UAP Life, financial services and investments are all very long term businesses. I wonder whether you have read the IM in detail madam Guru!