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Short Selling
ChessMaster
#11 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 4:02:52 PM
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I'm for short selling but it has many disadvantages and loopholes for manipulation especially for our market.We have to look at the bigger picture.A lot of people have run away from the market ever since the safcom ipo shortselling would be very profitable for the some investors but can cripple the market even further.
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S.Mutaga III
#12 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 4:10:29 PM
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I think the main downside,is that for it to become profitable,it requires a lot of negative information about a company,which is not readily available in their website(investor relations)...so one has to have prior information probably from an insider,but we all know how hard this is,because junior employees know less about their company than the average broker...the ones on the board are unreachable,and are the ones abreast with all major announcements.
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ChessMaster
#13 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 4:20:50 PM
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Negative information is easily spread through rumors because I don't think the stock market is completely logical. And another thing short selling is self perpetuating. Basically if the price starts to go down,people get scared and start selling and others start shorting and others sell....you see the cycle.
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ProverB
#14 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 4:41:24 PM
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Before the collapse of Ngenye, Thuo and other brokerages.. it was widely speculated that brokers actually did "illegally" short sell..
..taking shares of a dormant investor..selling them during fall in prices..and buying back the same amount of shares at lowest possible price and pocketing the "profit"...the investor wouldn't get any wiser.. assuming his shares where always there..

Short trading is an efficient way of profiting on
price fluctuations..

you can actually test it on wazua's fantasy market.
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ChessMaster
#15 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 4:41:25 PM
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Imagine if an individual or better yet a large corporation holds a big stake in a company.They decide to offload a large quantity of the stocks at a lower price just enough to push the counter down and invite short sellers. They start trading on the hopes of the price going down which it might and the initial group comes back and buys its shares and some more at a cheaper price. The potential for manipulation is high.
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ChessMaster
#16 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 4:54:19 PM
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ProverB,I can't prove it but I've heard the same thing.Some from very close quarters. The targets we're usually individuals who were holding shares for the long-term and didn't follow up on the money.As i heard. I can't deny its profitability.
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S.Mutaga III
#17 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 7:40:14 PM
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Take longhorn for instance,the company reported above average earnings and hence the directors decided to hit the iron when hot by listing through introduction. Subsequent results only prove that last years spectacular earnings were a one-off,and so the share price is dropping in slow-motion...this is an ideal stock to have shorted especially at 18 from a high of 20 on its way down.
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eboomerang
#18 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 8:56:36 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
I think it is time the CMA enabled short selling in nse.This would make investing a double edged sword...making money in both bulls and bears.I just imagined if an institution or a high networth individual had shorted KQ...they would have made a windfall in the process. Also,supposing Puma pulled out in the last minute...a tidy sum could be made...but shorting is for speculators.

I think it would be a bad idea to allow or enable short selling in Kenya. Our market regulator(s) and legal institutions are still too weak to curb the amount and magnitude of insider trading that would occur.

I assume there is enough of it (insider trading) already albeit the fact that short selling is not allowed. It remains a banned practice in most advanced markets.
ChessMaster
#19 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 9:19:07 PM
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In such a situation short selling is ideal to reflect the true value of the company because it's not based so much on speculation.
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maka
#20 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 9:54:51 PM
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Will need so many facilities to be put in place e.g securities lending firms to help in covering short positions,central counterpaties to avoid settlement fails etc,the CMA Act will also require various ammendments its a long shot for now,lets deal with the traditional equity and bond trading that we are used to for now...but in due time you,l be shorting all the way to the bank.
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