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L'e Mac - The First Residential Skycrapper in Kenya..
S.Mutaga III
#21 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 1:43:57 PM
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Even if I was a billionaire,I cant pay 15m for a one - bedroom apartment...Its not value for my money...only celebs will buy at those prices because sadly most of them buy property as they buy perfume...instead of buying them like veges...cheapest but best value.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
Jamani
#22 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 1:56:51 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
Even if I was a billionaire,I cant pay 15m for a one - bedroom apartment...Its not value for my money...only celebs will buy at those prices because sadly most of them buy property as they buy perfume...instead of buying them like veges...cheapest but best value.


As billionaire your thoughts will not be anywhere near that, you will be thinking of a stand alone away from the crowd n hassle... Even for our celebs its not value for their money not in this economy....we are not yet there...
S.Mutaga III
#23 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 2:07:13 PM
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@Jamani...billionaires live in castles not apartments...but enough of the wishful thinking.What percentage of your total wealth should your house be?...for me about 5% is cool...so to live in this 15m apartment,I should not have a net worth of less than 300million.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
Seles83
#24 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 2:17:21 PM
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butterflyke wrote:
interesting concept.....i can imagine the views from the apartments....kuna wale wanajiweza naz bei....

Wonder how le mac compares with one west park


2bdr deluxe rents for 95k
3bdr rents for above 130k..

http://www.hassconsult.c...;Itemid=38&intent=2

One West Park is westlands 2bdr is 20.8m and and 3bdr is 24M..and 4bdr is 29M..
More monies, more problems...
Jamani
#25 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 2:18:55 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
@Jamani...billionaires live in castles not apartments...but enough of the wishful thinking.What percentage of your total wealth should your house be?...for me about 5% is cool...so to live in this 15m apartment,I should not have a net worth of less than 300million.


Generally looking at our society I would think 5% is too low, my assumption would be most of the middle class in our society will have this % at 65%.... people with 300M....thats totally a different class and they wont buy the single room at 15m. They will be somewhere in Karen, Runda yeah those sides
Jamani
#26 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 2:25:17 PM
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Seles83 wrote:
butterflyke wrote:
interesting concept.....i can imagine the views from the apartments....kuna wale wanajiweza naz bei....

Wonder how le mac compares with one west park


2bdr deluxe rents for 95k
3bdr rents for above 130k..

http://www.hassconsult.c...;Itemid=38&intent=2

One West Park is westlands 2bdr is 20.8m and and 3bdr is 24M..and 4bdr is 29M..


Those buyers need to visit a4architects web site, just read and they will learn a lot.
Having said that i believe in the free market economy and the right for someone to pay whatever they feel like irrespective of considering its value
dunkang
#27 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 3:04:03 PM
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sincerely speaking, a 40 by 80 at mirema drive, zimmerman, is around 3M. Build urself a 4br bungalow for 2M, and buy 2.5M safcom shares with the balance 10M whose dividend will be enough to cater for 2 watchmen, cook and etc.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

Pablo
#28 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 3:16:31 PM
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Unfortunately the guys talking against this project are not the target market for this type of development.

The target market already have those 40by 80's at Mirema, 400 Ac in Kajiado, properties in Karen and Runda etc.

Its like as Mutahi Ngunyi put it "using liters to measure distances". These are not for u and me. Zina wenyewe.
Jamani
#29 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 3:27:45 PM
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Pablo wrote:
Unfortunately the guys talking against this project are not the target market for this type of development.

The target market already have those 40by 80's at Mirema, 400 Ac in Kajiado, properties in Karen and Runda etc.

Its like as Mutahi Ngunyi put it "using liters to measure distances". These are not for u and me. Zina wenyewe.


Ahsante Pablo for the reminder, in earlier posts we said this will be bought we never doubted that and most of us were responding because it was brought to me and you here and being argued for me and you.
digitek1
#30 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 3:38:56 PM
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dunkang wrote:
sincerely speaking, a 40 by 80 at mirema drive, zimmerman, is around 3M. Build urself a 4br bungalow for 2M, and buy 2.5M safcom shares with the balance 10M whose dividend will be enough to cater for 2 watchmen, cook and etc.

Shame on you Shame on you
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kyt
#31 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 4:21:07 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
@Jamani...billionaires live in castles not apartments...but enough of the wishful thinking.What percentage of your total wealth should your house be?...for me about 5% is cool...so to live in this 15m apartment,I should not have a net worth of less than 300million.

makofi, as kingangi would say kayamba kayamba kayamba
LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
luxel
#32 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 5:17:09 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
@Jamani...billionaires live in castles not apartments...but enough of the wishful thinking.What percentage of your total wealth should your house be?...for me about 5% is cool...so to live in this 15m apartment,I should not have a net worth of less than 300million.


@mutaga, are you suggesting that the people who own maisonettes worth kshs 12.5M (Langata, SouthB/C,Nairobi west etc) could be having wealth in the range of kshs250M.
youcan'tstopusnow
#33 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 5:23:55 PM
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The 5% is for Mutaga alone, as he has stated. However, the property market would be dead if most people abided by it
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
sparkly
#34 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 5:50:30 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
@Jamani...billionaires live in castles not apartments...but enough of the wishful thinking.What percentage of your total wealth should your house be?...for me about 5% is cool...so to live in this 15m apartment,I should not have a net worth of less than 300million.


@mutaga what is the percentage of your networth to the value of your current residence? I don't imagine you can hack those ratios before you reach 40.

before 40 i suppose most people's most valuable asset will be their home (that is if they have any).
Life is short. Live passionately.
S.Mutaga III
#35 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 5:56:59 PM
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@luxel...as I said...''for me''...I dont speak on behalf of anyone else...@youcantstopusnow...do you buy a house to enjoy better living standards or to promote the property market?coz to me,it seems ur priority is the later...and the former is just a side benefit.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
dunkang
#36 Posted : Monday, September 24, 2012 8:02:25 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
dunkang wrote:
sincerely speaking, a 40 by 80 at mirema drive, zimmerman, is around 3M. Build urself a 4br bungalow for 2M, and buy 2.5M safcom shares with the balance 10M whose dividend will be enough to cater for 2 watchmen, cook and etc.

Shame on you Shame on you

rafiki, building a 4 br bungalow on your own land should not be over 2M brother/sister. Butit all depend on taste, labda you are the VP.
Wacheni kuharibu pesa.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

Seles83
#37 Posted : Tuesday, September 25, 2012 1:34:21 AM
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The fact that most of us cannot afford the project doesn't make less qualified to analyze the prospects of possible ROI and challenges of such kind of investments..

I see a trend that most luxury apartments and projects get severe beating or heavily criticized negatively without facts or even sound logic..

When it comes to investments its all about about return and not the principle sum invested..

For Example:-

If you spend 5m buying an apartment in Imara Daima and rent it out at 30k per month that translates to 7% ROI:

Same applies for Kileleshwa buyer who bought a property at 15m and rent it out for 87500 per month..

Imara Daima Tenant is more likely to move to growth suburb like soykimau and Juja to build his or her property..

But Kileleshwa tenant they will always roam around upmarket suburbs as long as cash flow allows...

With the growing middle class in Kenya and Africa, the biggest growth in real estate will be experienced in growth suburbs and mature suburbs (Exclusive suburbs)..

"Its not the most intelligent people that make it big in life..but the most responsive and adaptive of them all"
More monies, more problems...
itz
#38 Posted : Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:49:50 AM
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Seles83 wrote:
The fact that most of us cannot afford the project doesn't make less qualified to analyze the prospects of possible ROI and challenges of such kind of investments..

I see a trend that most luxury apartments and projects get severe beating or heavily criticized negatively without facts or even sound logic..

When it comes to investments its all about about return and not the principle sum invested..

For Example:-

If you spend 5m buying an apartment in Imara Daima and rent it out at 30k per month that translates to 7% ROI:

Same applies for Kileleshwa buyer who bought a property at 15m and rent it out for 87500 per month..

Imara Daima Tenant is more likely to move to growth suburb like soykimau and Juja to build his or her property..

But Kileleshwa tenant they will always roam around upmarket suburbs as long as cash flow allows...

With the growing middle class in Kenya and Africa, the biggest growth in real estate will be experience in growth suburbs and mature suburbs (Exclusive suburbs)..

"Its not the most intelligent people that make it big in life..but the most responsive and adaptive of them all"


@seles83 i think you are spot on on all of your views here.well organized suburbs and areas will make you more money in the future and most of all will hold value more than many of the places i see crop up.
This is a good investment project especially if they deliver .
Jamani
#39 Posted : Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:05:52 AM
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Seles83 wrote:
The fact that most of us cannot afford the project doesn't make less qualified to analyze the prospects of possible ROI and challenges of such kind of investments..

I see a trend that most luxury apartments and projects get severe beating or heavily criticized negatively without facts or even sound logic..

"Its not the most intelligent people that make it big in life..but the most responsive and adaptive of them all"


The issue we are talking about is not affordability or beating luxury apartments for the sake of it as you state above rather we are questioning the value for money.
Is there value investing KES 15 million for a one bedroom apartment? that is the issue.
Seles83
#40 Posted : Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:11:52 AM
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Jamani wrote:
Seles83 wrote:
The fact that most of us cannot afford the project doesn't make less qualified to analyze the prospects of possible ROI and challenges of such kind of investments..

I see a trend that most luxury apartments and projects get severe beating or heavily criticized negatively without facts or even sound logic..

"Its not the most intelligent people that make it big in life..but the most responsive and adaptive of them all"


The issue we are talking about is not affordability or beating luxury apartments for the sake of it as you state above rather we are questioning the value for money.
Is there value investing KES 15 million for a one bedroom apartment? that is the issue.


What do you reckon would be fair price for L'e Mac given the facilities and location?
More monies, more problems...
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