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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Jamani wrote:Impunity wrote:Jamani wrote:Why do we have to look at the worst examples.... why cant we look at Qatar Saudi, UAE etc Because they dont have negro blood flowing in their systems. Sorry, my dear if thats how you are reasoning.... people need to believe in themselves beyond colour. Respect starts from oneself and for your information a good number of the locals in UAE and Saudi are indeed black people. How many countries in Africa produce oil in substantial amounts? How many of them are prosperous? Their is something unique in us Africans,(may be most of us!) How many tribes forms the people's republic of Iran? More than Kenya I bet, but see how far they have used their oil. We as Africans has a long way to go with this oil thing. This you can take to Citi Bank. People will want to see the oil resource as "their time to eat", and not as "their time to build the country"... Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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Impunity wrote:Jamani wrote:Impunity wrote:Jamani wrote:Why do we have to look at the worst examples.... why cant we look at Qatar Saudi, UAE etc Because they dont have negro blood flowing in their systems. Sorry, my dear if thats how you are reasoning.... people need to believe in themselves beyond colour. Respect starts from oneself and for your information a good number of the locals in UAE and Saudi are indeed black people. How many countries in Africa produce oil in substantial amounts? How many of them are prosperous? Their is something unique in us Africans,(may be most of us!) How many tribes forms the people's republic of Iran? More than Kenya I bet, but see how far they have used their oil. We as Africans has a long way to go with this oil thing. This you can take to Citi Bank. People will want to see the oil resource as "their time to eat", and not as "their time to build the country"... How many countries in Africa produce oil in substantial amounts? in subsahara Africa i can only think of Nigeria. The tribes in Iran might not be more than Kenya, though its a large country compared to ours with 30 provinces a population of about 90M. I have a problem with your statement that implies black people cant manage oil proceeds just because Nigeria has issues with it. While i agree a lot has to be done by African people and govts in terms of corruption (in this regard we have a new constitution) i dont agree that we cant manage oil and i wont take that to any bank.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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I think the oil resource can be godsend if managed properly. Africa is leaping big.... Angola for example, though the gap between the rich and poor is still an issue, the country has achieved an annual average GDP growth of 11.1% between 2001 to 2010. Oil in Angola accounts for more than 50% of GDP, 90% of export revenue, and 80% of govt revenue. Pilferage of state oil resources will occur [even in Qatar, UAE, Saudi etc some fellas do steal money] but we are better of with this resource than without. "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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I agree, didnt even look at Angola thanks for the analysis GGK. I still insist we can manage oil and as stated above we are better of with this resource than without. Looking at Nigeria you will note that their oil was signed off during times when they had military dictatorship rule and they sold their wealth by binding contracts, Angola has been in war for sometime and their poverty is attributed to the war, look at them now after the killing of the rebel leader Savimbi...(details by GGK above). We are not at civil war, we have a new constitution thats seen to be effective or working and going by todays court proceedings/ruling we have confirmation that it will not a bed of roses for those who intended to eat. With this i have strong believe that we can manage our resources oil, gold, gas etc, yes we can do it even better.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Jamani wrote:Impunity wrote:Jamani wrote:Impunity wrote:Jamani wrote:Why do we have to look at the worst examples.... why cant we look at Qatar Saudi, UAE etc Because they dont have negro blood flowing in their systems. Sorry, my dear if thats how you are reasoning.... people need to believe in themselves beyond colour. Respect starts from oneself and for your information a good number of the locals in UAE and Saudi are indeed black people. How many countries in Africa produce oil in substantial amounts? How many of them are prosperous? Their is something unique in us Africans,(may be most of us!) How many tribes forms the people's republic of Iran? More than Kenya I bet, but see how far they have used their oil. We as Africans has a long way to go with this oil thing. This you can take to Citi Bank. People will want to see the oil resource as "their time to eat", and not as "their time to build the country"... How many countries in Africa produce oil in substantial amounts? in subsahara Africa i can only think of Nigeria. The tribes in Iran might not be more than Kenya, though its a large country compared to ours with 30 provinces a population of about 90M. I have a problem with your statement that implies black people cant manage oil proceeds just because Nigeria has issues with it. While i agree a lot has to be done by African people and govts in terms of corruption (in this regard we have a new constitution) i dont agree that we cant manage oil and i wont take that to any bank. We as sub-Saharan African have to change in a big way the manner we perceive what a national resource is. Even before the commercial value of the Turkanoil is confirmed the pokot has already laid(spl.) claim that the land is theirs. Until "we" make them view the oil-find as a natural and national resource then we have a looooong way to go...we may need two decades of tribal fighting and civil war about the oil-find for us to learn and move forward! It seems we cant learn from other people's mistake but our own. And you may now take this UNAITAS! Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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Jamani wrote:UNAITAS...hahaha... BTW: what is this UNAITAS business. I've been seeing this in many places and I've no clue [for the 1st time] Help "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/11/2009 Posts: 1,223
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GGK wrote:Jamani wrote:UNAITAS...hahaha... BTW: what is this UNAITAS business. I've been seeing this in many places and I've no clue [for the 1st time] Help http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=19581History will not remember you for your IQ. It will remember you for what you did. “Genius is 1 percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration.” Thomas Edison
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554
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Unaitas "is You and Me" formerly or initially known as MURAMATI sacco http://www.unaitas.com/home.php
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Impunity wrote:We as sub-Saharan African have to change in a big way the manner we perceive what a national resource is. Even before the commercial value of the Turkanoil is confirmed the pokot has already laid(spl.) claim that the land is theirs. Until "we" make them view the oil-find as a natural and national resource then we have a looooong way to go...we may need two decades of tribal fighting and civil war about the oil-find for us to learn and move forward! It seems we cant learn from other people's mistake but our own. And you may now take this UNAITAS! These are genuine concerns. We may not like to face it but it may boil down to what you have said here We may need to find ways of appeasing locals in the areas with these resources-jobs, roads, social amenities etc or we may have a replica of what happened in Niger Delta in Nigeria. The other scary thing is the new katiba. People, even very educated fellows, have very many misconceptions concerning devolution. Now people thinks that such mineral wealth will belong to the county!
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/12/2010 Posts: 474 Location: Nairobi
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Hizi strikes zimezindi. Keep it simple
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:Jamani wrote:Impunity wrote:Jamani wrote:Impunity wrote:Jamani wrote:Why do we have to look at the worst examples.... why cant we look at Qatar Saudi, UAE etc Because they dont have negro blood flowing in their systems. Sorry, my dear if thats how you are reasoning.... people need to believe in themselves beyond colour. Respect starts from oneself and for your information a good number of the locals in UAE and Saudi are indeed black people. How many countries in Africa produce oil in substantial amounts? How many of them are prosperous? Their is something unique in us Africans,(may be most of us!) How many tribes forms the people's republic of Iran? More than Kenya I bet, but see how far they have used their oil. We as Africans has a long way to go with this oil thing. This you can take to Citi Bank. People will want to see the oil resource as "their time to eat", and not as "their time to build the country"... How many countries in Africa produce oil in substantial amounts? in subsahara Africa i can only think of Nigeria. The tribes in Iran might not be more than Kenya, though its a large country compared to ours with 30 provinces a population of about 90M. I have a problem with your statement that implies black people cant manage oil proceeds just because Nigeria has issues with it. While i agree a lot has to be done by African people and govts in terms of corruption (in this regard we have a new constitution) i dont agree that we cant manage oil and i wont take that to any bank. We as sub-Saharan African have to change in a big way the manner we perceive what a national resource is. Even before the commercial value of the Turkanoil is confirmed the pokot has already laid(spl.) claim that the land is theirs. Until "we" make them view the oil-find as a natural and national resource then we have a looooong way to go...we may need two decades of tribal fighting and civil war about the oil-find for us to learn and move forward! It seems we cant learn from other people's mistake but our own. And you may now take this UNAITAS! Did you look at Ghana? Right next to Nigeria! www.bloomberg.com/news/2...s-oil-output-starts.html www.bloomberg.com/news/2...er-on-oil-output-1-.htmlMark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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Impunity wrote:Jamani wrote:Why do we have to look at the worst examples.... why cant we look at Qatar Saudi, UAE etc Because they dont have negro blood flowing in their systems. An attack of inferiority complex, very much unlike Impunity Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,220 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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ION, simba is at 27 and safari at 4.25. Im off to the broker @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:ION, simba is at 27 and safari at 4.25. Im off to the broker Ati what? Simba 27...you almost woke me up! "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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To better understand the Nigeria oil story, you need to consider that its oil was discovered in the 1950s.
If the same happened in Kenya pre independence, when there were very few educated people, the following would have happened;
1. The colonial masters would have entrenched their interests using BP by striking 'sweetheart' deals to last a life time. 2. The barely educated thieving classes that took away all the prime land at independence would have connived with the beneficiary foreign companies to create a kleptocracy supported by personal militias financed with proceeds of corruption. 3. The sons and daughters of these thieving masses would have joined Dangote in the league of the wealthiest Africans. 4. Kenya would be known as the land of 1000 coups and whispered democracy. 5. I would be writing this using blood from the tip of a bayonet as I would have joined regional militia groups. 6. None of you would be reading this as we would all be in the frontline protecting our very own Al haji's
Ghana and in part Angola offer salutary lessons on management of oil wealth. We are lucky that these resources are only being unearthed after years of trying to build institutions. Our story may not be as smooth as that of Norway, but it should be an improvement on what Ghana has done. Yes corruption will be there but you can bet all you cows that within the next 5 years, we will have some of the biggest fish in this country cooling their heels in prison for corruption. Once the public prosecutor gets a taste of blood, he will be like a wolf and will look for more kills.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:ION, simba is at 27 and safari at 4.25. Im off to the broker Unauza?? Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,220 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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guru267 wrote:Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:ION, simba is at 27 and safari at 4.25. Im off to the broker Unauza?? Yap,27 was my TP level for simba & 4.30 for safari! @SufficientlyP
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