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Sasha
#21 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:00:00 AM
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LOL Obi! Then make sure you don't invite a Chinese for lunch coz like Blackberry says, your guest might want it for desert despite crapping 'properly'! LOL!


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Obi 1 Kanobi
#22 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:18:00 AM
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@Sasha,

I am hoping if the dog can crap properly,then it just might save its own life. May be the one's that can't crap properly make the most delicious curry!!!


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
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Blackberry
#23 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:25:00 AM
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@obi...hehehee! I meant those guys will pass them off as pedigree yet they are just kawa dogs. Mine were supposed to a be rot weiler and a GS.

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Sasha
#24 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:11:00 PM
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@Obi: LOL! Just like those mbuzis that eat thorns are sweeter than those that feed on grass eeeh!

@Blackberry: Ahahahaahahaaha! Ati some guy was selling you a rottie and a GS on the street! Walalalala! An imagine someone will fall for that!


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Fundaah
#25 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:14:00 PM
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I can get you one for Kshs.100 from ushago.. then follow Obi 's instruction.get it vaccinated .. give it the right food and get a good vet check it......why pay 20k for a dog..This one I see you have a great mama....She cares financiallywise...Not Sukuma type

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Djinn
#26 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:55:00 PM
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@Magigi - first - the one's MrTea refers to are Japanese Spitz - these are more of lap dogs - they are not serious 'guy dogs' as in Alsatians,labs,Dobermans,etc. They are the 'yip yip' kind you want for ornamental purposes (or the ones that you want to put in a microwave so they can shut up). Definitely not for a boy who you want to set on the 'straight' path in life. On that note,forget that Chihuahua someone has suggested as well.

Go for Sasha's friend's terrier - small but feisty - more grief than a lab IHMO. Something else you SHOULD consider (and something I HAVE done) - drop in by KSPCA - they have dogs,mostly mongrels,but EVERY once in a while they have pedigree stuff from expats who are moving on to countries that do not have 'extradition treaties' for dogs i.e. serious quarantine. I've seen labs (ready trained and just needing some TLC,etc),GSD's go VERY VERY fast - as fast as Datsun 1200 pickups. Still worth a try - go on Saturday - they close at 1300hrs - if you accept to adopt - all you pay is abt 3000 and you get vaccination history,etc. I have TWO such dogs and they are GOOD dogs. Only thing is that they will grill you abt where you stay - if its flats - FORGET it. if you have a semi-detached,fenced,with a small green patch - your chances are good.

Then with the remaining 27,000 you can buy dog food for abt 5 years...

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Djinn
#27 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:58:00 PM
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@Magigi - PS to the below - if you try the KSPCA option - do not accept a dog that had been rehomed before - those are problem dogs - they look all nice and adorable (or even nice and kali) - but after a few days your sandals get chewed,big holes appear in the garden,laundry never stays on the line,etc - those are problem dogs that have either separation anxiety or other psychosis (for real).

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Obi 1 Kanobi
#28 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:08:00 PM
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@Djinn,LMAO,So all that dog psychology I was hearing when Obama was shopping for BO is true.

Growing up,we used to have a dog that when locked up it would just howl for the whole day and eat at the door,all we did was find new material to block the holes when they became too big. May be this dog was mad and we had no idea. We just thot it was being a dog.


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The General
#29 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:34:00 PM
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@ magigi,

Get a GS,no need for training. Think of it like an investment.

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Mr.Tea
#30 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:35:00 PM
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@Djinn,
Impressive knowledge about dogs.How about some private lessons? BTW they are called Japanese Spitz.You train dogs as well?

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Djinn
#31 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:50:00 PM
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@Mr Tea - nyet - I train dogs not... Just been around dogs since dining tables were taller than me....and have learnt a few things along the way. Yes the dog is called 'Japanese Spitz' if its the short,fluffy thing - there are other variations of Spitz - like there are variations of corollas :)

@Magigi - http://www.kspca-kenya.org/ - FYI contacts,etc.

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Kwanini
#32 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:51:00 PM
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it has been said,you CANNOT teach an old dog new tricks... For a pet,any mongrel will do,trained or not,for 1k or 20 milli. But a twist....

For guard dogs.... german shepherds-GS are a cut above the rest. discipline wise,strength and are faithful to the master till they die. remember they have to eat proper... cooked... at the right time...not Mutura from your local joint. Training and medical care is a must,hence the cost.

expect to spend not less than 30k per puppy for a guard dog. verify the papers too... If you are good at it,you could make money from da b****es too....

and now a sad story..... 3 burglars break into some residence and meet their match. Two GS on guard attack as expected,wrestle one chap to the ground and lock the jaw,the other rarua's the villain big time . one GS is stabbed 3 times on the neck but will not let go off the villain's neck. The other 2 burglars run abandoning their accomplice. sadly by the time the master is on the scene,to issue instructions,both the dog and the villain have bled to various stages of death....the dog finally died.. the grief on the other dog that kept howling like a human being is discernable up to today. Talk of a man's best friend.

my 2cents.

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Magigi
#33 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:37:00 AM
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Djinn

Thanks. I will pay a visit to the place. But,I am one guy who likes original stuff,even if it takes me eons to acquire them. At least I can get a second one from there.
Blackberry
#34 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:17:00 AM
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pls no mischief intended but why does a dog need a certificate?

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mkenyan
#35 Posted : Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:57:00 AM
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obi - people have been breeding dogs for eons. All dogs are inherently intelligent but some dogs are bred for intelligence so you end up with specific breeds which are more intelligent than our umbwa kokos.

Unfortunately we have not been doing anything on that line and we end up with all manner of breeds - muts like Obama- who are not of higher intelligence than the 'mzungu' dogs.

Though I think the Japanese/Chinese have been breeding dogs for much longer than most and not just for food.

Magigi,for your boy I would stay away from GS. They are very loyal and disciplined and depending on your boys age might be asking a lot of him to maintain that. My vet tells me that you lax abit on discipline and next they will be attempting to assert dominancy over you.

You may try the Japanese Spitz - cute,very intelligent,loving and hyper but extremely jealous. For some puppy eye candy visit - www.dailypuppy.com . Puppies go for like 15k which is damn expensive but still cheaper than a GS. You can feed them dog rice (plus a bit of your stew) worth about 500/month. Note that the bigger the dog the more they need to eat.

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Djinn
#36 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 4:48:00 AM
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@Blackberry - certificate is really where you record vaccination history etc. Its especially useful if for justifiable reasons your dog bites someone - then you have your vaccination record handy and can prove the dog is not rabid and rather was either provoked or was defending your property or your family. In Nairobi you also need a metal tag issued by NCC to affix to the collar. They usually go around sometimes collecting strays (and sometimes they bait dogs with poisoned meat) - no tag,and your dog could get impounded.

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Djinn
#37 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 5:39:00 AM
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@Mkenyan - 'Note that the bigger the dog the more they need to eat.'


@Magigi - 'Note that the bigger the dog the more they need to eat.' - So since you may also want it for security,lets not settle for that Japanese Spitz (which itself is food for bigger dogs) - go for the GSD unless burglars in your area come in small and medium size like pizzassmile

Mkenyan,are you female?

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Informer
#38 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 5:46:00 AM
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I read somewhere that the Boerboels (South African)loose memory as they age and can even attack the owner. GSD and rottweilers are good guard/pet dogs

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Magigi
#39 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 5:54:00 AM
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@Djinn: I have made up my mind. I will be going for the GS. Only one problem remains: justifying to madam why I should spend so much on a puppy and not give the money to charity,buy food for starving children etc. Well,I have told her before that I am spending it for the happiness of my son. Does she have a point?
Djinn
#40 Posted : Friday, May 22, 2009 6:19:00 AM
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A pet dog [Magigi]
Friday,May 22,2009 08:54

@Magigi - good you have opted for the GSD - now regarding justification,and I am really serious about this part (i.e. not making up wishy washy excuses) 1) It will teach your boy to be responsible - he will need to care for it (feed it,wash it,make sure its habitat is clean,train it,etc and thus learn greater appreciation of what you and Mrs Magigi go through) 2) You will have security - a GSD is very intelligent and loyal. 3)It will keep your kid occupied - thus away from TV,playstation,influence from bad kids,drugs,idleness. By investing in this and putting your kid on the right path in life,it will invariably have a long term impact,more than what 30,000 will have in the near term.


@Informer - hmm...Rottweilers are OK dogs but there are cases where some suffer dementia and become extremely aggressive. And then they need to be put down. I visited KSPCA when the Artur brother's Rottweilers were kept in custody and was told as much by the KSPCA people.

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