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DILUTION for kenol kobil shareholders¿¡
Aguytrying
#11 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:52:08 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:

Have you noticed so many counters are facing or have been diluted last 6 months:

KQ(it had to be no. 1)
NBK
COOP
KP(this one is not even funny)
CFC stanbic(there was a rumour of rights issue, i think)
KK(possibly)

I hate dilution


A rights issue is not dilutive to shareholders if they participate in it..
A bonus issue cannot cause any form of dilution unless the shareholders decide to sell their bonus shares..
That means in a rights or bonus issue dilution is self inflicted..

The only real dilution that out of shareholders control is the creation of new shares to add a new investor..


You are right on both, this is why you are a guru.
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Aguytrying
#12 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:58:33 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:

Why cant the strategic investor buy from the market, even if it will take a long time,

or offer a bid to one or two of the top share holders that's too good to refuse.

I assume creation of new shares, that will be bought, will not increase EPS, but will increase shareholder funds and capitalization.


A strategic investor will not buy from the market.. If the investor wanted to get 20% of KK he would have to have bought every single KK share traded on the NSE since 2008.. Hardly a viable plan..

If most wazuans are talking of only selling their KK at 40bob+ I believe the top shareholders feel the same way.. That means the strategic investor would have to attach a minimum of 300% premium to the current price on his offer.. Hardly a viable plan and limits room for growth in her/his investment..

Looks like creation of shares is the only option as it offers most value to the investor..

If the strategic investor adds value then the creation of new shares will eventually lead to significant EPS growth..




Then i think what would be most fair to the current shareholders is if the strategic investor bought out 1 or 2 of the major shareholders. Because those major are either adding value or not, so it will be like a change in ideas. The strategic investor wil off course have to bid at a considerable premium-which might not be viable as you say.

Creation of new shares will dilute eps too much, yes they may add expertise and what not, which is a probability, but im looking at the numbers which are already there.

And the way share actions affect share price, the share may really come down(which is great coz ill buy more, but im really satisfied with the management as it is and i dont think we need with strategic investor NOW)
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VituVingiSana
#13 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:00:04 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Let us also remember that Segman has a sizeable share of KK. So we can either go with him or against him. The choice is ours and so will be the results.

WORD...!

When Equity sold 25% to Helios, there were murmurs... It has never looked back since...

Would I prefer KK comes for a Rights Issue? No.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#14 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:49:57 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
but im really satisfied with the management as it is and i dont think we need with strategic investor NOW)


KK is doing well but could do better especially on its net margin..

Earning 5 billion PBT against a revenue of 222 billion screams of serious inefficiency..
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FUNKY
#15 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:09:44 AM
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Seems the news of getting a strategic investor has failed to excite the market.
Kausha
#16 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:36:48 AM
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@guru I wouldn't lose sleep over the 222B T/over versus 5B profit. Management did indicate because of the increased activity on the Africa trading desk the volumes and in turn sales shot up massively. 50% of the total volumes 3m metric tonnes were attributed to the trading activity which has extremely thin margins and almost nil operating costs (salary of the 3 guys doing the trading and depreciation of the desk). My big worry though is the possible forex exposure from this trading desk. KK is getting into a situation where they have to get proper FX dealers and robust management policy in place in house (not those from banks) to manage this risk. 1.5B forex looses and a significant portion of it in closed forward positions is quite ugly for shareholders. However this trading desk is and will be their game changer going forward and for quite some while.

I suspect the strategic investor is bringing in money and possibly deal contacts to allow KK get more presence in markets it lacks presence. A PE player is more likely than an oil company. This to me will be great news especially when looked at together with the africa trading desk. What KK is simply doing is being an independent in the upstream and midstream businessres using its large downstream business. Great penetration in Africa means more opportunity and flexibility to increase the africa trading business volumes at no incremental cost. I would be thoroughly dismayed if one of the 2 large shareholders sold any of their holdings. It would signal weak prospects ahead, but increased shares for more money would be perfect.

I don't think entry of a strategic investor through increased shareholding will be that price dilutive. I expect the price to spike up considerably ahead of the strategic investors entry to protect existing large shareholders. We saw it in Equity, Coop bank etc. In any case one can justify KK's case given that it's the most undervalued stock on the NSE and therefore Segman and co. would be mad to allow a strategic investor entry at a below 15. Any investor would be excited at a price below 15 because it's a one way bet to returns. All valuations done in the market both buy and sell side place KK above 15/share therefore highly unlikely a PE investor will want to spend time haggling for a price below 15.

VituVingiSana
#17 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 2:29:54 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
but im really satisfied with the management as it is and i dont think we need with strategic investor NOW)


KK is doing well but could do better especially on its net margin..

Earning 5 billion PBT against a revenue of 222 billion screams of serious inefficiency..

LOL... Are you serious? Liar Liar Liar

KK is an OMC not Apple! Its business is trading & prices are regulated.

"Efficiency" is determined by many factors including comparisons vs peers. If your gross margins (by ERC or others) are capped at 6/- for fuel then there is maximum limit you can make before deducting expenses including transport, depreciation & administration.

KK does a lot of low-margin but less risky trading of bulk oil products. This allows them to use existing infrastructure to make easy(ier) cash on small margins.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Thursday, March 01, 2012 2:37:22 PM
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@kausha - guru doesn't understand the trading desk business. Sorta how a bank's forex trading desk can have a huge 'turnover' on a small equity investment & low 'margin' but high ROE.

15? I see 20/- as the price to beat by 2014 whether the strategic investor comes in or not. There is something about organic growth which KK has done well. The alternate may be a complete (or most of KK) being sold to another firm.

Some businesses like Trading Desk require smarts & flexibility that KK has. Not easily translated or moved over in a merger or acquisition.

What KK has officially done is say... "We are for sale!"
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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