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The life and times of a kenyan doctor
Kratos
#21 Posted : Monday, December 12, 2011 7:49:31 AM
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Sad state of affairs. In my humble opinion I think Kenyans ought to support the Doctors strike fully. These are the same people we entrust with our lives. Some arguments coming off the woodwork from the likes off Bwenyeye are really unfortunate if not pompous! Why are some Kenyans in the habit of downplaying other peoples rights? It is about time doctors got a fair remuneration. In my opinion ,all hospitals should be run with a mix of administrators and medical professionals. The working hours for doctors should be reviewed and more Kenyans encouraged to get into the medical field.
Its funny that someone points out that the same doctors have opened Chemists that are selling drugs, did you expect people who have peanuts for a salary to open hardware stores to supplement their income which is everybody's right? SMHPray Sad


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Kratos
#22 Posted : Monday, December 12, 2011 8:47:50 AM
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To add on, the same government through the national assembly is acquiring chairs worth 200k per piece. Now in my rudimentary calculation, The total cost of chairs will be around Kshs 70 mil (350 seats x 200,000)not including the senate (68 seats)that will also order the same chairs come next year.
While all this is going on, a quick search into the internet shows that a basic dialysis machine may be going for around USD 6,000 or lower depending on the manufacturer etc.. Now the Kshs 70mil would be able to buy approx 137 BASIC dialysis machines.Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Sad Sad Sad Pray Pray

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Lolest!
#23 Posted : Monday, December 12, 2011 9:14:44 PM
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Strike called off. Tokeni wazua mrudi kazi. Dkt Murenj kapotelea wapi?
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
McReggae
#24 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:25:48 AM
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......and back on strike as patients die coz of lack of medical attention!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
simonkabz
#25 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:14:06 AM
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Who to blame? Docs or gava? I think gava should take responsibility for every death. I feel the docs are at war for the sake of the country, esp hospital eqpt n staffing. Fight on guys, this govt knows no other language.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Lucid_Iam
#26 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:25:05 AM
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The flip-flopping by Docs is not good for them. They will lose the goodwill they already have with the rest of Kenyans. Looking at them try and argue their point on why they are re-calling the strike made them look more like politicians.
Pablo
#27 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:17:25 PM
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Actually if you run a business your best customer is the one who tells you that you stink. Most of them just move.

The world is a global village and people are human beings. Everyone wants a good (or at least bearable) life for themselves and their families.

The good Doctors like Kamundu are the ones on strike. The others left a long time ago. I hope we realise that these guys are not korogewad in those hospitals.

Whether the strike is over or not. Alot needs to be done.
McReggae
#28 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:21:02 PM
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...and since they had called off the strike, the new strike is illegal as they did not give sufficient notice, ask one UK!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Ms Mkenya
#29 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:28:21 PM
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I only hope this strike helps us see doctors employed in the public sector show up on time at work, work all their hours and leave when they should. And thus earn their pay...

That is all i ask.
....above all, to stand.
jguru
#30 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:51:43 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
I only hope this strike helps us see doctors employed in the public sector show up on time at work, work all their hours and leave when they should. And thus earn their pay...

That is all i ask.


The strike has officially been called off after voting was done by members of KMPDU at a Special Delegates Conference at Ufungamano this afternoon. Doctors are the laughing stock of all Kenyans at the moment. Liar
Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
bwenyenye
#31 Posted : Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:53:58 PM
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I take the bashing in good faith. My argument still holds. The docs have been awarded some more money. Good for them. Now let me see how service to me, the patient at KNH will improve without facilities being provided and improved. What we needed are structural reforms not salary increments only. ( by the way, I was never against salary increments but against the increments being given as stand alone). As rightly pointed out here, these guys have above average grey matter. I still think there were better ways to handle these issues. They have lost a lot of public respect as they have come out as selfish people only interested in monetary gain. Now let us see how they function without microscopes and X Ray equipment.

And No. I do not work for GOK.
I hold my peace.
I Think Therefore I Am
Dash
#32 Posted : Friday, December 16, 2011 10:01:55 AM
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@bwenyenye many doctors I know were against accepting that deal because the healthcare reforms were not touched on and felt betrayed by their leaders. That is why there was a furore when the strike was called off and the leaders had to call it on again and again called off. Unfortunately they were outwitted by the gorv during negotiations and very many feel betrayed.Some were really fighting for wanjiku. Howevet the negos are still going on as of yesterday to between the union and gorv to negotiate about the other 12 points that were not looked at including healthcare reforms. UNFORTUNATELY we do know the history of GOK and actually enforcing what a task force table
bwenyenye
#33 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2011 4:55:25 PM
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Dash wrote:
@bwenyenye many doctors I know were against accepting that deal because the healthcare reforms were not touched on and felt betrayed by their leaders. That is why there was a furore when the strike was called off and the leaders had to call it on again and again called off. Unfortunately they were outwitted by the gorv during negotiations and very many feel betrayed.Some were really fighting for wanjiku. Howevet the negos are still going on as of yesterday to between the union and gorv to negotiate about the other 12 points that were not looked at including healthcare reforms. UNFORTUNATELY we do know the history of GOK and actually enforcing what a task force table


That is good news to my ears. At least someone is thinking seriously about wanjiku. I had opposed their approach because I knew that it would end with genuine grievances not addressed and doc's with egg on their face. What a sad day for Kenya. I know there are very good docs out there. I know one who would cry every time they lost a patient due to lack of equipment. What I realized was that for her, her passion was to save lives. It is her passion that made me realise they would be betrayed.And it came to pass. She came to see me yesterday very very depressed.

Wapo watu watashika moto wa jehanam kwa mkono!
I Think Therefore I Am
Dash
#34 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:00:26 PM
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bwenyenye wrote:
Dash wrote:
@bwenyenye many doctors I know were against accepting that deal because the healthcare reforms were not touched on and felt betrayed by their leaders. That is why there was a furore when the strike was called off and the leaders had to call it on again and again called off. Unfortunately they were outwitted by the gorv during negotiations and very many feel betrayed.Some were really fighting for wanjiku. Howevet the negos are still going on as of yesterday to between the union and gorv to negotiate about the other 12 points that were not looked at including healthcare reforms. UNFORTUNATELY we do know the history of GOK and actually enforcing what a task force table


That is good news to my ears. At least someone is thinking seriously about wanjiku. I had opposed their approach because I knew that it would end with genuine grievances not addressed and doc's with egg on their face. What a sad day for Kenya. I know there are very good docs out there. I know one who would cry every time they lost a patient due to lack of equipment. What I realized was that for her, her passion was to save lives. It is her passion that made me realise they would be betrayed.And it came to pass. She came to see me yesterday very very depressed.

Wapo watu watashika moto wa jehanam kwa mkono!


Trust me there are very many with that passion. Believe me when I say many are are for the money but even more are for the passion. I personally know some who use money out of their own pockets to help their patients. But the ones with the "dont care" attitudes are always the ones highlighted. I was even more disgusted to hear a mwananchi commenting on TV that the docs should not bother the GOK so much because next year is election year and they need all the money they can save. Disgusting.
Lets hope for the best with the task force
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