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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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And it's like the newest republic in the world, the republic of southern sudan, doesn't exists at all.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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josiah33 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Did anyone read columnist Peter Mwauras article in the Nation? what did he say? He was of the opinion that since such a ruling is impractical to implement and would lead to tension, Ombija should have relied on other statutes/conventions that give immunity to diplomats n heads of state to avoid making the ruling he made.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Lolest! wrote:josiah33 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Did anyone read columnist Peter Mwauras article in the Nation? what did he say? He was of the opinion that since such a ruling is impractical to implement and would lead to tension, Ombija should have relied on other statutes/conventions that give immunity to diplomats n heads of state to avoid making the ruling he made. Hmmmmhhh!!! and this is Lukoye Atwoli's point of view- exposing hypocrisy
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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Same script, different cast. Libya (Kenya) → Nato (Sudan) → impose no fly zone (to cut diplomatic ties) → rats (....) Spot the difference. We have been given 2 weeks ultimatum for 'regime change'. Lets watch us pander to this northern whim. http://www.sudantribune.com/FAC...-singles-out-Kenya,40876Sudan singles out Kenya from among many for retaliation
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Two weeks before he stops eating with our leaders...I'm sure there are many guys here shaking in their boots! Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Has Al Bashir given any other Government ultimatums or is it just the kenyan Government?
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2007 Posts: 326
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am resigned to the fact that bashir will slam us with the threatened sanctions in 14 days time. so let's plan for the worst; a) 1000 kenyans kicked from khartoum...mmmh no big deal for me, b) sudan supports al shabab and al qaeda in somalia...hell has broken loose, but anyway thay have always supported terrorism. c) Kenya bound or Kenya originating flights denied access to the sudanese air space...i see trouble for the kes, KQ has recently become a very significant forex earner to the economy. by the way what is the detour route that a plane must take to avoid sudanese airspace? and what are the costs involved? any one in the aviation industry to call it for us?Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Mo wrote:am resigned to the fact that bashir will slam us with the threatened sanctions in 14 days time. so let's plan for the worst;
a) 1000 kenyans kicked from khartoum...mmmh no big deal for me,
b) sudan supports al shabab and al qaeda in somalia...hell has broken loose, but anyway thay have always supported terrorism.
c) Kenya bound or Kenya originating flights denied access to the sudanese air space...i see trouble for the kes, KQ has recently become a very significant forex earner to the economy.
by the way what is the detour route that a plane must take to avoid sudanese airspace? and what are the costs involved? any one in the aviation industry to call it for us? If you weigh the PROS and CONS of severing ties with Al Bashir, where does the most weight lay? Maybe if we could know the losses and gains we would be able to deal with the STRONGMAN better.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/16/2009 Posts: 1,464
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Mo wrote:am resigned to the fact that bashir will slam us with the threatened sanctions in 14 days time. so let's plan for the worst;
a) 1000 kenyans kicked from khartoum...mmmh no big deal for me,
b) sudan supports al shabab and al qaeda in somalia...hell has broken loose, but anyway thay have always supported terrorism.
c) Kenya bound or Kenya originating flights denied access to the sudanese air space...i see trouble for the kes, KQ has recently become a very significant forex earner to the economy.
by the way what is the detour route that a plane must take to avoid sudanese airspace? and what are the costs involved? any one in the aviation industry to call it for us? I do not have the figures, but any flight path away from the optimal course would greatly impact fuel costs for the KQ and all other flights to North Africa but more so to Europe and America.KQ and all other carriers to Amsterdam, France,Rome,London,Khartoum and Cairo will be greatly impacted. BTW, does this mean the KQ share now moves to single digit??? 
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2007 Posts: 326
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josiah33 wrote:Mo wrote:am resigned to the fact that bashir will slam us with the threatened sanctions in 14 days time. so let's plan for the worst;
a) 1000 kenyans kicked from khartoum...mmmh no big deal for me,
b) sudan supports al shabab and al qaeda in somalia...hell has broken loose, but anyway thay have always supported terrorism.
c) Kenya bound or Kenya originating flights denied access to the sudanese air space...i see trouble for the kes, KQ has recently become a very significant forex earner to the economy.
by the way what is the detour route that a plane must take to avoid sudanese airspace? and what are the costs involved? any one in the aviation industry to call it for us? If you weigh the PROS and CONS of severing ties with Al Bashir, where does the most weight lay? Maybe if we could know the losses and gains we would be able to deal with the STRONGMAN better. Kenya entered the ICC treaties on her own willful volition!! they knew the burden that the law required them to do!!! why we crying foul now??? is this not a self inflicted wound? Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Mo wrote:josiah33 wrote:Mo wrote:am resigned to the fact that bashir will slam us with the threatened sanctions in 14 days time. so let's plan for the worst;
a) 1000 kenyans kicked from khartoum...mmmh no big deal for me,
b) sudan supports al shabab and al qaeda in somalia...hell has broken loose, but anyway thay have always supported terrorism.
c) Kenya bound or Kenya originating flights denied access to the sudanese air space...i see trouble for the kes, KQ has recently become a very significant forex earner to the economy.
by the way what is the detour route that a plane must take to avoid sudanese airspace? and what are the costs involved? any one in the aviation industry to call it for us? If you weigh the PROS and CONS of severing ties with Al Bashir, where does the most weight lay? Maybe if we could know the losses and gains we would be able to deal with the STRONGMAN better. Kenya entered the ICC treaties on her own willful volition!! they knew the burden that the law required them to do!!! why we crying foul now??? is this not a self inflicted wound? What pros are there, I ask again?
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2007 Posts: 326
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by the way what is the detour route that a plane must take to avoid sudanese airspace? and what are the costs involved? any one in the aviation industry to call it for us?[/quote] I do not have the figures, but any flight path away from the optimal course would greatly impact fuel costs for the KQ and all other flights to North Africa but more so to Europe and America.KQ and all other carriers to Amsterdam, France,Rome,London,Khartoum and Cairo will be greatly impacted. BTW, does this mean the KQ share now moves to single digit??? [/quote] KQ derives most of it's revenue form the west africa routes, the only flights over flying sudan are amsterdam, paris and london. KLM,BA, virgin and brussels will certainly feel the pinch; the share will certainly dip but to a single digit i think no. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Mo wrote:
by the way what is the detour route that a plane must take to avoid sudanese airspace? and what are the costs involved? any one in the aviation industry to call it for us?
I do not have the figures, but any flight path away from the optimal course would greatly impact fuel costs for the KQ and all other flights to North Africa but more so to Europe and America.KQ and all other carriers to Amsterdam, France,Rome,London,Khartoum and Cairo will be greatly impacted. BTW, does this mean the KQ share now moves to single digit??? [/quote] KQ derives most of it's revenue form the west africa routes, the only flights over flying sudan are amsterdam, paris and london. KLM,BA, virgin and brussels will certainly feel the pinch; the share will certainly dip but to a single digit i think no.[/quote] Someone said this in the newspaper- However, Prof Kithure Kindiki, said Khartoum would not go far in implementing the air traffic sanctions since enforcing them would violate international law, specifically the Convention on International Civil Aviation. “He has the right to repudiate the bilateral air agreements with Kenya but he cannot extend it to third parties,” Prof Kindiki noted.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Mo wrote:
by the way what is the detour route that a plane must take to avoid sudanese airspace? and what are the costs involved? any one in the aviation industry to call it for us?
I do not have the figures, but any flight path away from the optimal course would greatly impact fuel costs for the KQ and all other flights to North Africa but more so to Europe and America.KQ and all other carriers to Amsterdam, France,Rome,London,Khartoum and Cairo will be greatly impacted. BTW, does this mean the KQ share now moves to single digit??? [/quote] KQ derives most of it's revenue form the west africa routes, the only flights over flying sudan are amsterdam, paris and london. KLM,BA, virgin and brussels will certainly feel the pinch; the share will certainly dip but to a single digit i think no.[/quote] Someone said this in the newspaper-However, Prof Kithure Kindiki, said Khartoum would not go far in implementing the air traffic sanctions since enforcing them would violate international law, specifically the Convention on International Civil Aviation. “He has the right to repudiate the bilateral air agreements with Kenya but he cannot extend it to third parties,” Prof Kindiki noted.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/11/2011 Posts: 110 Location: Kenya
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However little we may be getting from Sudan counts for too much in Kenya because we are dirt poor for now, for whatever reason; And that we must live with while it lasts. So trying to upset the apple cart on the basis of some new found freedoms and lofty constitutionalism is as self defeating as it can get. We gotta live peacefully with our partners, be practical and make the most out of such partnerships for our dear beggarly state.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Good lesson for Kenya, and the activist judiciary. Next time they go on the rampage needlessly rocking the boat, they will be aware of the unpleasant consequences. Consulting some earings wont do this struggling country any good. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 1,139
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I voted NO coz the constitution was made by activists,people who dont have Kenya at heart but donors rule their world.Cash to work activists "You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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simonkabz wrote:Good lesson for Kenya, and the activist judiciary. Next time they go on the rampage needlessly rocking the boat, they will be aware of the unpleasant consequences. Consulting some earings wont do this struggling country any good. I wonder what the diplomats in Kenya would think of our foremost Diplomat-Moses Wentagula-and how they will deal with him now that they've discovered he doesn't care for the LAW or the JUDICIARY.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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If you really want to convince me that ICC is bullshit and only serves the purposes of the WEST-to tame Africa and it's despotic leaders-and would only go after African Presidents and not Western ones then i dare you to PULL OUT OF THE ICC all together. Why be party to some ROME STATUTE out of your own volition and then cry out loud that it's discriminatory and rubbish it at the same time, who are you Kidding?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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josiah33 wrote:If you really want to convince me that ICC is bullshit and only serves the purposes of the WEST-to tame Africa and it's despotic leaders-and would only go after African Presidents and not Western ones then i dare you to PULL OUT OF THE ICC all together. Why be party to some ROME STATUTE out of your own volition and then cry out loud that it's discriminatory and rubbish it at the same time, who are you Kidding? Touche' my guy. ignore akina simonkabz and those advocating for the continuation of business as usual. The reaction of the Kibaki government is probably what made Bashir even more bold. As I wrote here before, how come Bashir has not imposed any sanctions against Museveni or South Africa or Rwanda, all this countries have sworn to arrest him if he visits them. The only potential problem area is the flying over Sudan airspace. But I would imagine international air routes have some kind of protection. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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