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Kenya’s lost moment and the arrival of the Chinese company
simonkabz
#11 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:22:56 AM
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Chaka wrote:
@eboomerang,
Will check out your article later but my view is that Kenyan Contractors are not serious,these guys do not know how to repair potholes and cannot even built a proper road bump!(Does KEBS have a standard for a road bump?).They cannot even mix cement and ballast properly !My suggestion is for gava to force some of them to be attached to the Chinese contractors so as to be shown how things are done.After the attachment,they should be given a mini-project to do and evaluated....

Exactly as I thought.
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eboomerang
#12 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:19:12 AM
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@simonkabz, @chaka, @accelriskconsult
I can understand the kind of frustration you are expressing and the desire to get things done once and for all.

But, look at it this way, the government is the parent, and when the children (local companies) become errant, from a parent's point of view the solution is not to adopt other children.

Hence the reason I keep saying that we are addressing the wrong problem.

How comes the Chinese are able to make a difference? are they more ethical than we are? if that is the case why not start pushing compulsory ethical education in to the school systems early enough in order to change the social fabric of this country?
tom_boy
#13 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:42:14 AM
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Nice article. My input is that he who pays the piper calls the tune. So as to unravell why chinese are doing our roads, one has to dig deeper and find out how China and Kenyan barons are dancing, economically. Dont be fooled, its a dance and wanjiku is the dance floor. The financier dictates the executor. Case in point, world bank refusing to fund mombasa rd project because the contractor was not their preferred person.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
eboomerang
#14 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:56:00 AM
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tom_boy wrote:
Nice article. My input is that he who pays the piper calls the tune. So as to unravell why chinese are doing our roads, one has to dig deeper and find out how China and Kenyan barons are dancing, economically. Dont be fooled, its a dance and wanjiku is the dance floor. The financier dictates the executor. Case in point, world bank refusing to fund mombasa rd project because the contractor was not their preferred person.

Obviously world bank has had their share of trouble with our cowboy contractors.

All it would take for government to do it is for example create a national company partly owned by private investors and bring in a highly competent CEO. That is a model that has proven successful to Kenya (I'm looking at Safaricom).

With Safaricom, we Kenyans have some benefits even if not all. E.g. We can buy shares, they created a platform for local people to build their businesses(mPesa), jobs etc.

If you gave someone like T. Naikuni the correct incentives, he can equally build a successful construction company from the ground up.



Obi 1 Kanobi
#15 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:12:33 PM
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Eboom.

I absolutely like your way of thinking and agree with your analysis.
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kiterunner
#16 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 12:24:33 AM
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Excellent thoughts, it makes a lot of sense, i hope Sonko stumbles on it and introduces it in parliament or to the govt :)

Our policy makers need more eboomerangs and Ndemos in their midst
our goals are best achieved indirectly
butterflyke
#17 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 8:29:17 AM
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eboomerang wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
Nice article. My input is that he who pays the piper calls the tune. So as to unravell why chinese are doing our roads, one has to dig deeper and find out how China and Kenyan barons are dancing, economically. Dont be fooled, its a dance and wanjiku is the dance floor. The financier dictates the executor. Case in point, world bank refusing to fund mombasa rd project because the contractor was not their preferred person.

Obviously world bank has had their share of trouble with our cowboy contractors.

All it would take for government to do it is for example create a national company partly owned by private investors and bring in a highly competent CEO. That is a model that has proven successful to Kenya (I'm looking at Safaricom).

With Safaricom, we Kenyans have some benefits even if not all. E.g. We can buy shares, they created a platform for local people to build their businesses(mPesa), jobs etc.

If you gave someone like T. Naikuni the correct incentives, he can equally build a successful construction company from the ground up.





@eboomerang...another great article. i like your analysis. however, even the point of creating the company as you suggest is so likely to be prone with problems right from the start. many forces will be fighting to get their foot in not for national good but personal enrichment....i think with what has happened, most recently the wana at milimani, hope is standing on very weak legs.
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eboomerang
#18 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 3:46:05 PM
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butterflyke wrote:

@eboomerang...another great article. i like your analysis. however, even the point of creating the company as you suggest is so likely to be prone with problems right from the start. many forces will be fighting to get their foot in not for national good but personal enrichment....i think with what has happened, most recently the wana at milimani, hope is standing on very weak legs.

You are right. There may be challenges but, I believe it can be done.

One person (a proven and seasoned CEO) can make the difference and the investment should be partly owned by private investors.

Nationalize the company so as to have a very direct accountability system.

At the moment it feels like we threw out the baby with the bathwater.

Maybe I'm too optimistic :)
Gathige
#19 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 4:54:27 PM
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@eboomerang

Nice article sir.

The Chinese model is basically a "government in business". The state literally owns a stake in each major company and foreign operations financed through state banks. Through years of innovations( remember Chinese medicine which is just "dawa za kienyeji") they have perfected their social and economic spheres and with a large population they are guaranteed a market. Their exploits abroad is after successes at home. Their savings rate is among the highest in the world through which they have enough reserves to lend. The state controls the currency and thus not affected by external shocks.They even have more dollars than the US Reserve bank!

My 2 cents!
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eboomerang
#20 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2011 5:08:05 PM
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Gathige wrote:
@eboomerang

Nice article sir....

The Chinese model is basically a "government in business". The state literally owns a stake in each major company and foreign operations financed through state banks.

My 2 cents!

Thank you and your comments are spot on!

I have been circumventing to also raise this point but glad you brought it up.


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