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CBK's CBR shocker @ 16.5% - Playing Serious Hard Ball?!
Mainat
#21 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:03:53 PM
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Only if inflation is demand-driven which Nd'ung'u has been denying most of the year...
Some of us knew differently
Sehemu ndio nyumba
the deal
#22 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:18:10 PM
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Yes Mr Volker @Hisah was gonna be my next referance
Cde Monomotapa
#23 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:30:54 PM
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hisah wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Talk about aggressively re-setting our growth machine. Kudos Prof. smile


A trailer or is it a rigs handbrake pull at high gears...

I the latter. We might go in 3-4% range GDP as we sort out inflation. Kenya is still a predominantly cash economy so let's see.
Cde Monomotapa
#24 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:36:07 PM
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holycow wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Anyhu...a lot of Wazuans and spectators bayed for blood..sasa imeletwa na tanker Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly #be careful what U wish for smile

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly smile

smile
Cde Monomotapa
#25 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:39:44 PM
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Thus a combo of a lower 90s or better KES/USD and tumbling crude oil prices + improved hydro toward year end should solve fuel & energy inflation by Q1 2012 smile
Cde Monomotapa
#26 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 8:59:01 PM
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PS: The continued crisis abroad should gaurantee us lower oil & commodity prices going-foward which will boost our domestic economy smile (another man's meat is anothers poison - Capitalism 1o1)
Dmitrys
#27 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 9:08:12 PM
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My biggest fear where does this leave mortgage holders?

I understand a chunk of property in Nairobi for salaried persons is financed thro mortgage.Pray
Cde Monomotapa
#28 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 9:19:18 PM
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Dmitrys wrote:
My biggest fear where does this leave mortgage holders?

I understand a chunk of property in Nairobi for salaried persons is financed thro mortgage.Pray

I think it would be simplistic for us to assume that a couple would easily cede the home their family lives in especially where they have room to cut on discretionary spending. I think outright job loss is a bigger/more valid threat to mortgages in the short term.
josiah33
#29 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 9:56:28 PM
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hmmmh, pancakes are going to be cheaper in the long run http://plonkee.com/2007/...-rates-affect-inflation/
kizee1
#30 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:00:53 PM
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this is what thomas jefferson said about central banks

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies…if the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency…the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent that their fathers conquered.” Thomas Jefferson, 1743-1826

...fast forward to 2008 and what happens? sub prime? why is kenya and different? these are mere games
guru267
#31 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:03:34 PM
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The bhang that Ndungu and his so called committee are smoking is getting cheaper by the day..

This move will ravage kenya's economic growth like never seen before..

Inflation will fall when the effects of the short rains which started only in october are felt..
The shilling will improve when the situation in europe cools..

These fools at the MPC are just too impatient..
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
the deal
#32 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:09:13 PM
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Every IMF Package comes with its own austerity...the IMF is in Town....Kenyans wake up and smell the coffe...the IMF way is a highway to ruin!!!
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#33 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:19:41 PM
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hisah wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Funny, all bank stocks headed north today! Interesting, if you ask me!

Yes, very interesting Liar
The sky is the limit only that it has an invisible glass ceiling. That crash into the ceiling is going to hurt...

Add to that the cosmetic approach to the Greece debt crisis through the bailout fund(which may be voted out anyway at the referendum) and i was on the sell button today on both member and lion!
I come back to both at sub 17!
@SufficientlyP
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#34 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:22:08 PM
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the deal wrote:
Every IMF Package comes with its own austerity...the IMF is in Town....Kenyans wake up and smell the coffe...the IMF way is a highway to ruin!!!

More tightening of belts aka SAPS?
@SufficientlyP
kizee1
#35 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:30:14 PM
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the deal wrote:
Every IMF Package comes with its own austerity...the IMF is in Town....Kenyans wake up and smell the coffe...the IMF way is a highway to ruin!!!



SPOT FREAKING ON! the shit hit the fan the minute uhuru accepted to take their SSF(strategic shock facility) in 2009! is this why kimunya had to go? uhuru is the best guy to have as a finmin!...guy has taken usd 750mio! during kimunyas time we borrowed zilch from IMF and we were charting ou own course!
the deal
#36 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:31:13 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
the deal wrote:
Every IMF Package comes with its own austerity...the IMF is in Town....Kenyans wake up and smell the coffe...the IMF way is a highway to ruin!!!

More tightening of belts aka SAPS?

Lol for those who took out unsecured loans to buy those shares better pray for this calf to turn into a mighty Bull cos u will need more than 20% to break even!!!
QW25081985
#37 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:32:00 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
hisah wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Funny, all bank stocks headed north today! Interesting, if you ask me!

Yes, very interesting Liar
The sky is the limit only that it has an invisible glass ceiling. That crash into the ceiling is going to hurt...

Add to that the cosmetic approach to the Greece debt crisis through the bailout fund(which may be voted out anyway at the referendum) and i was on the sell button today on both member and lion!
I come back to both at sub 17!


the way the stock market is detached from reality is amazing...but thank goodness the market manipulators are leaving their dirty finger prints all over the market - weak volume ...
guru267
#38 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:03:50 PM
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looks like the bond market will get sweeter..

KCB and stanchart have already decided on raising rates to between 25-27%.. Lets see who'll be crazy enough to borrow.
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#39 Posted : Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:07:43 PM
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QW25081985 wrote:
but thank goodness the market manipulators are leaving their dirty finger prints all over the market - weak volume ...


low volume doesnt always mean low demand... it could be a sign of no sellers in the market my friend
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
sparkly
#40 Posted : Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:23:08 AM
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Quick questions for the economists.
1. Most banks had grown their deposits. With increase in interest rates, there will be less lending. Where are banks going to invest the increased deposits?
2. I had intended to take a mortgage at 13% from kcb to buy an apartment. Should i?
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