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VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Monday, September 05, 2011 4:13:08 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Thought it was also related to reducing KQ capital requirement so that KQ doesn't have to do a rights issue soon.

How?
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#12 Posted : Monday, September 05, 2011 6:06:09 PM
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#13 Posted : Monday, September 05, 2011 9:26:54 PM
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the deal wrote:
PW can pass too..last year they made a los...


PW is holding an IPO immediately after displaying such a performance. It doesn't make sense at all
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:09:01 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
the deal wrote:
PW can pass too..last year they made a los...

PW is holding an IPO immediately after displaying such a performance. It doesn't make sense at all
Its now or never, the Tanzanians have dragged this on for 2 years.

Folks - Just general comments.

Sometimes firms growth is in the future not behind them. The overall profitability [not just one year] is what counts.

I learnt that with EABL which had a terrible year sometime in the 90s. It was a consolidation year with lots of problems. They did a Rights which Kenyans eschewed. The next 3 years for EABL were WONDERFUL... The Rights Price seemed a super discount at that point!

Of course, management matters...

A firm I wish I had invested in was (loss-making) Apple - just 4-5 years ago... Windows was still strong. People were dissing the iPod as an expensive toy. Competitors were coming out with their cheaper versions.

Then came the iPhone. Critics all over. Expensive. Who wants a touchscreen. Businesses will not buy iPhones. Blackberry will kill them.

The iPad. Even more critics. They criticized the price, the size, some called it a larger iPod. Today Apple sells more iPads (Tablets) than ALL other manufacturers COMBINED.

Even the Apple laptops are now in the top 3 sellers. Yes, even though more Windows computers are sold but Apple is a top brand vs Dell, HP, etc.

Precision (& KQ) are banking on the future of Africa. I see PW being used by KQ as its arm to service many smaller Southern Africa destinations while KQ concentrates on the larger cities in Central, West & North Africa.

The 787s will help open more Asian destinations. I have a feeling KQ will lease 1-2 787s to PW as well.
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the deal
#15 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2011 2:07:46 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
the deal wrote:
PW can pass too..last year they made a los...

PW is holding an IPO immediately after displaying such a performance. It doesn't make sense at all
Its now or never, the Tanzanians have dragged this on for 2 years.

Folks - Just general comments.

Sometimes firms growth is in the future not behind them. The overall profitability [not just one year] is what counts.

I learnt that with EABL which had a terrible year sometime in the 90s. It was a consolidation year with lots of problems. They did a Rights which Kenyans eschewed. The next 3 years for EABL were WONDERFUL... The Rights Price seemed a super discount at that point!

Of course, management matters...

A firm I wish I had invested in was (loss-making) Apple - just 4-5 years ago... Windows was still strong. People were dissing the iPod as an expensive toy. Competitors were coming out with their cheaper versions.

Then came the iPhone. Critics all over. Expensive. Who wants a touchscreen. Businesses will not buy iPhones. Blackberry will kill them.

The iPad. Even more critics. They criticized the price, the size, some called it a larger iPod. Today Apple sells more iPads (Tablets) than ALL other manufacturers COMBINED.

Even the Apple laptops are now in the top 3 sellers. Yes, even though more Windows computers are sold but Apple is a top brand vs Dell, HP, etc.

Precision (& KQ) are banking on the future of Africa. I see PW being used by KQ as its arm to service many smaller Southern Africa destinations while KQ concentrates on the larger cities in Central, West & North Africa.

The 787s will help open more Asian destinations. I have a feeling KQ will lease 1-2 787s to PW as well.

The only reason KQ is keeping PW is its key role as a feeder for its long haul routes i.e London-->NBO--->Dar and Vice versa, thats why does give a heck about PW, well the Apple story might not apply to PW i.e Apple is computers/technology while PW is an airline..its always good to look at each case on its own
VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2011 2:32:23 PM
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@thedeal - Apple was just an example on how a visionary (& smart) management can turn the fortunes of a loss-making firm no matter what sector! Look at RyanAir, AirAsia or SouthWest vs their competitors!

I believe PW has its own 'future' independent of KQ. It will remain a key plank of KQ's foray into Tanzania but PW is banking on the Tanzanians flying internally + internationally.
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mwekez@ji
#17 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2011 6:10:18 PM
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@VVS, how would PW justify the KES 384M loss in year 2010/2011 from a profit of KES 158M in year 2009/2010. That's a whopping 343% drop!!! No wonder the regulatory body has been denying them the approvals. PW has a lot to do in order to prove that it can live up to the airline madness else Wanjikus will buy a monkey while Michael Shirima will be laughing all the way …
the deal
#18 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:33:34 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@thedeal - Apple was just an example on how a visionary (& smart) management can turn the fortunes of a loss-making firm no matter what sector! Look at RyanAir, AirAsia or SouthWest vs their competitors!

I believe PW has its own 'future' independent of KQ. It will remain a key plank of KQ's foray into Tanzania but PW is banking on the Tanzanians flying internally + internationally.

I'm buying a certain bank in a certain African country i recently visited just because a certain company (which i respect) bought a majority stake in the business..the Company was subject to a hostile take over bid from ABSA/Barclays recently..now that company costs less than Eveready with revenues the size of DTB..yes its been loss making for the past 2 years!

Now back to PW, the later has alot of factors going against it:-

1. Competition-the competition on the local and domestic routes is fierce even KQ has/is taking a beating
2. Lack of a Commercial Hub-KQ has JKIA while Emirates has Dubai if you look at the most successful airlines, the precense of a strong hub has been a contributing factor unfortunatelly Dar has not lived at his billing
3. Lack of Government Support-for PW to expand into Africa it needs to leverage on the Tanzanian Governments diplomatic shuttle..KQ has been ggod at that.
4. KQ-for PW to be great..they have to enter into Africa where the yields arethe highest...that means going against KQ.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:45:30 AM
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@the deal

1) What competition does it face in the local/domestic market? Please elaborate with examples & facts.
2) PW's (current) ambitions seems to be confined to Tanzania (a huge country) + some neighboring routes so not a hub airline.
3) See (2) above. Of course, I expect PW to leverage its presence to serve Tanzanians traveling on DIRECT flights to Dubai & London NOT as a hub but point to point travel.
4) LOL... Get serious. Let PW walk before it runs. KQ's startegy & PW seem different. PW is buying ATRs + 737s while KQ is buying Embraers + 787s though it would surprise me if KQ were to lease 1-2 to PW in 3-4 years.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2011 5:02:00 AM
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