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US CREDIT RATING DOWNGRADED!!!.....WHAT NEXT????
Impunity
#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:31:32 AM
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Another credit crunch.
PAP!
Time for me to be a millionaire in 2013 first quarter!
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kingfisher
#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:28:40 PM
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GGK wrote:
@Kaigangio, We are stuck with the dollar for a long time. They will just print more green bucks....what will the world do?

America has been the source of all major financial crises and will continue to be so for the next few years.

Am not economically savvy and I think S&P may be wrong but I don't think the prospects are good.



Was watching PM live on NTV today and I can tell you the world has started doing something about it... Central Bank of Mauritius just replaced the dollar with the YUAN and the RUPEE as the country's holding currency. Argument... they trade more with the china and india, hence need for more hard YUAN/RUPEE than the dollar. Mauritius may be a small country but that is a very telling sign.
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kingfisher
#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:47:44 PM
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Actually things are thicker than we think:

Peter Schiff, a noted american financial analyst from Mises Institute has already the following about US debt to China.. "We're not going to pay the Chinese back their money. It's impossible. We can't. We can't possibly."

http://www.americanthink...nevitable_demise_1.html

Also see:

http://www.independent.c...-the-dollar-1798175.html
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2011 3:52:00 PM
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kingfisher wrote:
GGK wrote:
@Kaigangio, We are stuck with the dollar for a long time. They will just print more green bucks....what will the world do?

America has been the source of all major financial crises and will continue to be so for the next few years.

Am not economically savvy and I think S&P may be wrong but I don't think the prospects are good.



Was watching PM live on NTV today and I can tell you the world has started doing something about it... Central Bank of Mauritius just replaced the dollar with the YUAN and the RUPEE as the country's holding currency. Argument... they trade more with the china and india, hence need for more hard YUAN/RUPEE than the dollar. Mauritius may be a small country but that is a very telling sign.


Aiihhhh brother not replaced but diversified to other currencies.
I think this is the general trend that will eventually lead to development of a mixed basket of currencies that will form foreign currency reserves.
I doubt anyone will base their foreign currency reserve on the yuan only since the Chinese have a bad habit of making their currency artificially weak which favors their export market.
tony stark
#15 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2011 4:11:17 PM
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[quote=kingfisher]Actually things are thicker than we think:

Peter Schiff, a noted american financial analyst from Mises Institute has already the following about US debt to China.. "We're not going to pay the Chinese back their money. It's impossible. We can't. We can't possibly."

http://www.americanthink...nevitable_demise_1.html

Also see:

http://www.independent.c...the-dollar-1798175.html[/quote]

This is a chicken and Egg situation. The chinese cannot recall on the debt because this will hurt the US economy and eventually this will hurt chinese exports due to reduced consumer spend on chinese goods by the americans.

I doubt this is the demise of the dollar as there is no other currency that can replace it or take over. Euro is a useless currency with the PI(I)GS (portugal, ireland, (italy), greece and spain) weighing down on the useless currency. Yuan is too controlled and artificially controlled to be used. Yen is busy sleeping like the japan economy and all the other currencies are just to small for the world.
The Mauritius basket of currencies might be the best and probably only way to go.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#16 Posted : Tuesday, August 09, 2011 5:18:52 PM
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The world economy is currently like a passenger in a bus tumbling down a steep incline but with nobody at the controls. There is nothing anyone can do about the imminent crash somewhere in the horizon.
Options:
-run to the chinese yuan; sorry dead end, the yuan is pegged to the US$ and the chinese economy depends on sales to the US
-run to the Euro; oops this is a dead cert to collapse before the $
-try Indian and the so called commodity currencies; again, dead end they are dependant on consumption (of oil, metals and the resultant cars, mobile phones, electronic gadgets) mostly by the west (US)) so their collapse will quickly follow the $ and euro.

S&P's downgrading of US debt has to be the biggest joke in awhile coz there is really nowhere else to run, everything else automatically moves down a notch.

However, this collapse could be a good thing, the world (mostly the west) are over consuming everything based on credit which they can't afford. Seriously, why does an American citizen have to buy a car he can't afford so that he can keep a car factory's doors open to sustain jobs that are not adding any value apart from wasting the worlds resources.

A dollar collapse will have very painful immeadite impact to our exporters and diaspora inflows, but the market correction will certainly make things better because of our negative BOP. We are not as well insulated as say Brazil but the expected price reduction in almost everything that is globally traded will be welcome.
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