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Does ownership matter, in listed companies?
obiero
#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:33:49 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@obiero - What % of KCB does GoK own?
How many directors does GoK appoint or heavily influence the appointments/elections?

Who is KCB's #1 shareholder? Who is #2? What is the difference between the voting power of each?


GoK holds a mere 17.74%. Surely, this cannot be a significant amount to claim the bank is led by govt. Remember 50+1.. And as for a director's seat; GoK only has one, that of PS treasury.

VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:59:13 PM
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@obiero - 17.4% is significant when it comes to voting.

Say a director's seat is up for grabs. You have the 'government' candidate (unlike PS Treasury, which is an office, this could be a friend of kibaki, uhuru, etc). So already this chap has 17.4%

Say VVS decides to stand for the seat. I am already 17.4% behind. At KCB AGMs perhaps the total 'votes' that come in are 50% (most retail shareholders don't show up). So the GoK chap has 38.8% before he even starts!

So all he needs is a mere 7.6% to sweep the election. Some idiots will vote for him coz the chap is of the same tribe or serikali knows best!

So 50% is ideal but for most listed firms, you don't need that.

BTW, who is #2 shareholder? What %?
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muganda
#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:16:30 PM
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Can't argue with that @obiero, noting though that Government+NSSF account for over 25% and board of directors shows a good number of government approved members...

Peter Muthoka, Chairman
Joseph Kinyua, Permanent Secretary
Catherine Kimura, earlier was alternate to PS
Joseph Adongo, Chairman BCLB
Eng Musa Ndeto, Director Kengen

muganda
#14 Posted : Monday, August 08, 2011 11:53:07 AM
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Ownership thoughts this Monday morning:

Though the study I quoted earlier throws bouquets of praise on foreign ownership, would you take the gamble of being associated with an indigenious business?

Over a decade ago, a poultry farmer walked from his Barclays Bank branch, crossed the street to an upstart Building Society. Many of his friends laughed at his decision, but he thought to himself:
"here is a Kenyan owned, Kenyan bred enterprise offering similar services like I am getting from a multinational."
"Although it was a risk venture, I opted to take the risk"


A black swan...

muganda
#15 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:02:34 AM
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Kiereini is now out as chair of EABL and CMA is hunting him out of boards of CFC, Unga etc.

I'd say judging by fortune of Kiereini/Merali, this is definitely 1 strike against this class of companies:

Quote:
5. To me there's a crop of firms that emerged from Moi insiders like Merali (Eveready, Sameer), Kirubi (Centum), Biwott (KenolKobil), Kulei (Standard), Kirieini (CMC), Ndegwa (NIC)


http://www.businessdailyafrica..../-/11pxespz/-/index.html

mukoya
#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:25:06 AM
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Muthoka is in kcb after how he bungled cmc.....cma should kick him out first
muganda
#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:30:48 AM
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Eeeh different gentleman, even forced to place newspaper adverts to disassociate himself from his namesake.
mukoya wrote:
Muthoka is in kcb after how he bungled cmc.....cma should kick him out first

guru267
#18 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:41:42 PM
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muganda wrote:
Eeeh different gentleman, even forced to place newspaper adverts to disassociate himself from his namesake.
mukoya wrote:
Muthoka is in kcb after how he bungled cmc.....cma should kick him out first



I was even about to dump all my shares when I heard this one..
Thanks for the clarification @muganda
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