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Holistic View on Global Economy & Kenya Economy
Cde Monomotapa
#21 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:16:51 AM
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And yet Cde.Mugabe is painted a mad man for enforcing that all foreign business with a NAV of over USD500K be 51% locally owned ESPECIALLY MINES. NKT!! I have to admit that Western propaganda has been effective in pushing "West is best" but I am not taking in that sh*t anymore and neither should any African with a brain in btwn their ears!!
eboomerang
#22 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:23:34 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
...Kenya is undergoing a serious over-haul, find ur position & make money, OTW just read the bulk trash in the papers and have ur mind and actions stagnated more than a swamp.

Well, I think the political over haul(which is long overdue) is one thing, and the economy and its growth path is another, they could be related but lets consider them different to avoid complexities. The thread was initially about the economy and its sustainability.

Now, when you look a little beyond your own money making opportunities (share etc) do you really think that we are able to finance the projects we are currently undertaking without the risk of taking Kenya to the default path in years to come?
Barrywhite
#23 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:13:52 PM
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I think there is need to take stock of the economic benefits (both direct & indirect) of any projects undertaken and weigh those benefits against the cost of funding while undertaking the projects. I see a risk of getting into the default path when we undertake too many huge projects at the same time, without giving time to evaluate impact & contribution to the wider economy. So my take would be we prioritise projects - get those that handshake into each other and get them done at the same time; then give it sometime to see overall contribution. I am not too sure we are doing that today.
The laudable is more often than not rendered laughable by overclaim
2012
#24 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:23:33 PM
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Seles83 wrote:
I have benefited allot personally with weaker Kenya shillings, because Kenya properties are getting cheaper every day...


When you say property is cheaper, with the high inflation rate is it really cheaper?

BBI will solve it
:)
Seles83
#25 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:40:21 PM
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- When enter into a contract with a seller at said price and you have 2 years to clear the balance, i am paying the dude in Kes, but i am earning in AUD, I got into a contract at an exchange rate of 1AUD=80, and now 1AUD=93,...now the property looks cheaper to buy...

-The sad part is that the rental income will be peanuts to me...because my expenses are in AUD..
More monies, more problems...
Seles83
#26 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:49:04 PM
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@Barrywhite,

BTW i like Barry White music, God rest his soul.

The government needs to prioritize the projects..

-Inflated quotes and pricing the projects in USD or Chinese Yuan is just screwing ourselves twice..

Unfortunately, we have debt that are inflated priced on foreign currency.

And why cant government train local people and do a hybrid, 2% foreign nationals only and rest of project 98% locals ...

It is like giving a loan someone and take the cash again..plus interest..

That's what China, US and rest of countries have been doing to Africa..
More monies, more problems...
eboomerang
#27 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:51:12 PM
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Barrywhite wrote:

...I see a risk of getting into the default path when we undertake too many huge projects at the same time, without giving time to evaluate impact & contribution to the wider economy...

Agreed! In fact if you try to think of it from a business perspective, the capital cost are just too high and don't make sense for businesses to really feel the benefits of these projects. Instead of lowering the cost of doing business, we shall be increasing it since we need to service these loans.

Look at Konza City project (one of the vision 2030 flagship projects), we are basically building a whole new city just to attract BPO businesses, seriously, do we need a venture of such magnitudes at this point in order for the outsourcing businesses to take off? This is more about real estate than it has anything to do with technology.

If the idea is to see the emergence of technology companies in Kenya, they should conduct some due diligence to see that start ups never begin that big -typically they begin in the garage, school labs, dormitories and all the unlikely places.

Technology ventures are high risk ventures, you therefore don't want to start incurring high costs through renting "cool" offices etc at the early stage of the business.
eboomerang
#28 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:05:41 PM
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Seles83 wrote:
@Barrywhite,

...And why cant government train local people and do a hybrid, 2% foreign nationals only and rest of project 98% locals ...

It is like giving a loan someone and take the cash again..plus interest..

Because things are that messed up, really.

Some people are just trying to build their personal legacies and others trying to prove their business and management prowess.

I once watched a show where the "CEO" of the Vision 2030 program was talking and you could just feel the lack of a compelling roadmap how they can move the country to a middle income economy.
Cde Monomotapa
#29 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:12:58 PM
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Since i'm on a roll with Pan-africanism today..do find time & internalize the words of #Bob Marley - Redemption Songs... A visionary song by a great legend that makes sense now more than ever to the modern day African.
Seles83
#30 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:22:00 PM
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@eboomerang

I have read your blog quite informative i must say, i totally agree with you. We can move to become middle income economy if our major sources of foreign revenues is still the same as it were 20 yrs ago..

Looks at the BRICS..the key to growth is being a producer and not a consumer country, when you produce, jobs are created, foreign cash inflows from proceeds of goods..etc etc..

Building 8 lanes highways, with starving population and high unemployment rates, just makes a country more into debt..

Invest seriously in Education create another silicon valley in Kenya..

Give income, protection and or even tax incentives to companies creating jobs in Kenya..

More monies, more problems...
eboomerang
#31 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:49:37 PM
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Seles83 wrote:
Applause Applause Applause
@eboomerang

...I have read your blog quite informative i must say, i totally agree with you. We can move to become middle income economy if our major sources of foreign revenues is still the same as it were 20 yrs ago..

Thank you !smile

Suprisingly, I found another site where one expert has faulted the Konza project. http://www.ictworks.org/...-network/877#comment-945
keke2
#32 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:12:26 PM
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Thanks Gentlemen and ladies,I have learned alot!
Cde Monomotapa
#33 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 4:25:40 PM
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keke2 wrote:
Thanks Gentlemen and ladies,I have learned alot!

Most welcome and to Wazua as well! Looking forward to ur contributions as well.
Seles83
#34 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 4:31:49 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
keke2 wrote:
Thanks Gentlemen and ladies,I have learned alot!

Most welcome and to Wazua as well! Looking forward to ur contributions as well.



Anytime mate :)

Looking forward to reading your post..develop your financial IQ..gone a those day where 8to5pm job was just enough.
More monies, more problems...
2012
#35 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 4:45:55 PM
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Here's something interesting I came across on the net one day that's relevant to this topic. Check out these links. On the first one just select Kenya...
Gapminder world

Hans Rosling video





BBI will solve it
:)
Mainat
#36 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 5:04:19 PM
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I think the road building and other infrastructure projects such as fibre optic; rail are excellent ideas. I also have no issue with the idea of ICT Park. My borne of contention and where things will go awry is the lack of a holistic picture at the highest level. How do these projects fit in? What is the vision (please don’t say vision 2030)? Because there is no vision, the detail is of course fuzzy. It has lead to a jobless economic growth.
A couple of examples. Why borrow from the Chinese and ask them to come and build the roads? Why can’t you ask them to subcontract the work to Kenyans and they can do the supervising. They if even brought their own road diggers! Konza looks like a money-minting idea dreamt up by Merali. How will GoK attract businesses there? Why not fund ICT R&D in one of the Universities? Kimathi was talked about it in this respect. We still can’t do some very basic things right. Every yr, farmers in RV and Kitale will throw away maize. At the same time as brethren in NE will be starving.
The big picture, but also professionalism (a big topic for another). It’s not going to happen if Mzees in their sixties hold 3 or 4 jobs at the sametime. Surely a Njung’e, a Seles maybe evem the somewhat intemperate Mukiha can do some of these jobs.
Sehemu ndio nyumba
keke2
#37 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 5:30:44 PM
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Seles83 wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
keke2 wrote:
Thanks Gentlemen and ladies,I have learned alot!

Most welcome and to Wazua as well! Looking forward to ur contributions as well.



Anytime mate :)

Looking forward to reading your post..develop your financial IQ..gone a those day where 8to5pm job was just enough.


:):) absolutely! I am busy crushing concrete in Panafrica but I am forced to know a thing or two on Financials due to my small investments in KSH.
That explains my appreciation!
tom_boy
#38 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 5:47:10 PM
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Hey , its just how neo colonialism works. You dont get the aid/loan unless you agree to use certain contractors or procure from certain sources. The very idea to do these projects is conceived by the donor countries and imf et al. Check out 'confessions of an economic hitman' on youtube or just buy the book.
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
Cde Monomotapa
#39 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:34:14 PM
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tom_boy wrote:
Hey , its just how neo colonialism works. You dont get the aid/loan unless you agree to use certain contractors or procure from certain sources. The very idea to do these projects is conceived by the donor countries and imf et al. Check out 'confessions of an economic hitman' on youtube or just buy the book.

eish! Don't even mention that book..read and I just felt eew..good read though purely the "the beggar thy neighbor" principle, not to mention the assasination of prezzos who stood against the advances. I'll raise U one; look for a book called, Capitalist Nigga, I gaurantee u will be so charged up to beat the neo-colonialists with their own sys!!
hisah
#40 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 8:10:35 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
tom_boy wrote:
Hey , its just how neo colonialism works. You dont get the aid/loan unless you agree to use certain contractors or procure from certain sources. The very idea to do these projects is conceived by the donor countries and imf et al. Check out 'confessions of an economic hitman' on youtube or just buy the book.

eish! Don't even mention that book..read and I just felt eew..good read though purely the "the beggar thy neighbor" principle, not to mention the assasination of prezzos who stood against the advances. I'll raise U one; look for a book called, Capitalist Nigga, I gaurantee u will be so charged up to beat the neo-colonialists with their own sys!!

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