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Can we get a President like Kagame..waahhhhh
Gordon Gekko
#11 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:23:40 PM
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Had a contract there about 9 years ago. Got paid 50% upfront, most of that went towards 'facilitation', when the job was nearly completed, the contract was cancelled and I have not been paid the balance to date. Besides that personal experience, it is a beautiful country. BTW the MD of the firm concerned was a very close associate of the oreso.
story teller
#12 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 5:30:44 PM
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@Gordon Gekko and @fantony,you both raise valid points...poleni sana for your bad experiences. So do you think Rwanda is trying to create a perception for future investors that is totally different from the reality on the ground?

Since French is the official language (i stand to be corrected), how do you interact with the locals/govt officials..translators or is swahili widely spoken?

On the other hand, do you think that these are some of the hiccups that Rwanda and other economies will have to go through as they pursue this transformation?
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Gordon Gekko
#13 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:30:11 PM
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@story teller, got along pretty well with Swahili and English, most of the working class I dealt with were returnees from Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Belgium and France. A few were from Tanzania. The big challenge was at the hotel where most of the workers were 'pure' locals.
fantony
#14 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:49:42 PM
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@kenyanlyrics - is the economy growing despite this factors.. yes. the unsavoury truth though is majority of the skilled personnel were either killed or left the country in between 1973 and 1994.. they realised their skills are valuable elsewhere... rwanda has about 2 million people in diaspora... its local popn is 10 million...

there is abit of FDI going into rwanda.. question is whether areas it is invested in can sustain themselves...??

there is a certain level of discipline in rwanda.. the streets are the cleanest in africa.. the security in the capital outstanding.. the only place expatriates jog after dark..

this has taken corruption underground.. say if arrested on a traffic offence.. you will loose a whole hour before you realise you can get away with a bribe.. in kenya.. its a bribe PAP! and you go back to your economic activities..

@ story teller french was a language perpetuated by the belgian colonisers post 1918... kagame however has introduced english as a language of business to align Rwanda to the EAC and the commonwealth..

most rwandese however speak to each other in kinyarwanda.. swahili is rarely spoken.. a good portion of government officials and businessman know either of english or swahili depending on where they spent their exile years..

english for those who spent exile years ('59-'73-'94)in kenya and uganda.. swahili for those who spent time in tanzania..

most of the upperclass have sent their kids to USIU and other kenyan colleges e.g. baraton.. there is a small number of belgian, france and american trained technocrats... they some times are a tad bit shady... kinda similar to kenya under moi...

i have tried to think, even sought the opinion of others... even if i earn money there i will keep it in kenya.. we burn our country every 5 years with minimal damage... with these guys you can't tell when something will happen

KenyanLyrics
#15 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 7:23:26 PM
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@Fantony preventing over-expatriation of money is part of economic growth
fantony
#16 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:21:09 PM
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you will need expats in the growth phase of a country.. what you need to ensure is they get understudies to train and learn under them to facilitate technology transfer...

by the way every kenyan i know can serve coffee.. i just can't get why it takes a rwandan 3 times the normal time to deliver the same cup..
Burning Spear
#17 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:36:13 PM
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Kenya needs a dictator with more focus to economic development n less talk but am sorry this cannot be achieved becoz of the mushrooming NGO's and right? activists who have their paymasters in the west.No president can govern with the kind of selfish activists we have in Kenya, to make it worse, the new fake constitution (according to me) has given the activists more than required recognition.
"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
sanity
#18 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:49:19 PM
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Kenya is way ahead of Rwanda.Kenyans are innovative and hardworking.our major problem apart from poor leaders is that majority of us have been siezed by the 'get rich quick no matter how' mentality. Just look at how matatus operate and you will understand the average kenyan.we are also like the bibilical jews.we are always on the lookout for a messiah to save us.problem is like the jews we are looking out for the one who shouts the loudest,has charisma and style and is a militant .....like Kagame.as a result we end up ignoring the still small voice,that says I am the way,the truth and the life.follow me and you shall not perish
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fantony
#19 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:32:36 PM
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kenyans are not innovative one guy opens a stall and everyone replicates the same stall across the city.. selling the same product and for the same price.. no product differentiation...

explain why all universities have a cbd campus.. duplication instead of trying to impact the area they are meant to impact their strength in..

explain all those people trying to get MBAs just to try to match with the Joneses..

our leaders are what we deserve.. dishonest crop of guys who think the fastest way to riches is manipulating the system of improving it... i just compare every guy that want to partake in politics to the girls who sleep their way up corporate ladder..

a dictator? now what b.s. is that...

benevolent dictator... even bigger crap... democracy has only failed in the third world.. becuase of the interest of developed nations on our resources..

for 100 days the world ignored as 1,000,000 people got killed in rwanda because they did not think there was anything they wanted or will need...

10 seconds later they have realised kagame gives stability to the volatile central african region and they are now smooth up with him so that they can have access to minerals in the DRC...

there must be a model of leadership we can adopt that benefits all..

one key thing we should have noticed is winner takes all as a principle in democracy as represented in the quote... democracy is where 51% of the voters take away the rights of the other 49%...

i think government should represent 100% of the entire population so that a certain segment does get left out or is threatened with the loss of its rights a la kenya under moi...

the coalition government is more like it... despite its noise... which communities in the last 5 years feel left out?
kyt
#20 Posted : Sunday, April 24, 2011 1:30:40 AM
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Fantony, thats on point
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