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IDP resettlement fails again
Lolest!
#11 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:34:20 AM
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I wonder what Robinhood means by non controversial areas. Does it mean that we classify IDPs by tribe and resettle them to their home areas? They are from different tribes, remember?I wonder what community land means. Should we also say that all land in Nairobi should be divided between the communities that owned it before mkoloni displaced them? Those wazungu settlers in Tigoni should leave too? We changed the katiba but our thinking is still backward.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:36:42 AM
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But @gohill and burning spear have a point. There must be impostors among the IDPs.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:45:50 AM
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@Innuendo and @Lolest, I agree to a degree with what you say. All these would work in an ideal situation. You will agree with me that the Kenyan case is less than ideal. All I am saying is that some of these actions tend to foster the feeling of injustice among communities the IDPs will be living with should the relocation succeed. Many will be feeling that the gava was quick to sort out the IDPs and while completely ignoring their plight.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:04:28 PM
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gohill wrote:
I believe the issue of IDP would have been sorted long time ago. Just ask each IDP where he/she came from and take him/her there. Who took the land they came from if they had genuine title? I also suspect that most of the people in camps now are impostors who just want to benefit. Who would agree to stay in a camp for four years and he owned a five acre shamba in Eldoret? All camps will close when one day we will wake to this headline in the daily nation: Impostor IDP jailed for 15 years. Believe me all camps will come down.

My 2 Zim cents.


Sensible and simple line of thinking that really needs to be adopted by Kenyan leadership.

Is there a case of an IDP who returned to their land and was chased away by the neighbours? If yes, then the gava should trade the piece of land in the unfriendly neighbourhood for cash.
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nostoppingthis
#15 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:24:28 PM
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The IDP issue is a political pawn, i raised the same concerns in my earlier thread, "IDP dilemma". These guys should go back to their lands in RV province or as someone suggested to avoid a repeat of the same, a group of sons of Mt.Kenya probably own chunks of Central Kenya, si wauzie government to resettle the majority of the IDP....
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#16 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:47:54 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
The IDP issue is a political pawn, i raised the same concerns in my earlier thread, "IDP dilemma". These guys should go back to their lands in RV province or as someone suggested to avoid a repeat of the same, a group of sons of Mt.Kenya probably own chunks of Central Kenya, si wauzie government to resettle the majority of the IDP....



majority of those rejected yesterday by the kitale people are not from central kenya but from either nyanza of lower western.

The central IDPs consentrate in mawingu.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:06:07 PM
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there is no way the govt can resettle IDP's a majority from a certain community deep into another community... too much suspicion and mistrust esp with 2012 on the way.

Why lie the this are historical injustices long hidden under the carpet resurfacing.. we all know some elite politicians grabbed waht was supposed to be these peoples land back in the 60's 70's
Thats where they belong.. the Soilo ranches etc etc

Impostors must be sniffed out..
True IDP's taken back to their land if impossible then they should be compensated...
but my best bet would still be owners of 'The Ranches' giving them part of what was theirs in Nakuru and Naivasha.
Tebes
#18 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:05:47 PM
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What happened to operation "RUDI NYUMBANI"?

I believe the genuine IDPs went to their farms. Let those still at the camps tell us who now occupies their farms, let the invaders be arrested and jailed. These IDPs only want to take the govt hostage so that they are bought land without them sweating a drop!!!

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#19 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:39:11 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
I wonder what Robinhood means by non controversial areas. Does it mean that we classify IDPs by tribe and resettle them to their home areas? They are from different tribes, remember?I wonder what community land means. Should we also say that all land in Nairobi should be divided between the communities that owned it before mkoloni displaced them? Those wazungu settlers in Tigoni should leave too? We changed the katiba but our thinking is still backward.



Ditto

Those squatters/landless people how did they find themselves in their current situation.

Any body who was uprooted from their land for which they had genuine claim ought to have filed a complaint with the authorities for records purposes!
Fellows who were downright lazy to carve enough land for themselves when fellow villagers were doing so, should not emerge from nowhere and start talking of historical bla bla bla!

Upto 1970 or thereabouts, there was enough land for everybody in Kenya.
Smart Wazees kept big enough chunks for themselves and next generations.
The Malenge ones took paddocks!
They and their offsprings have no one else to blame but their lazy selves.

The elite of yester-years grabbed huge swathes of land to themselves!
Though morally inappropriate, there is nothing legally wrong with it for as long as they did not evict anyone from the land.

Who prevented your forebearers from taking enough land @ Robinhood.

Having said that, I feel there is need for thorough and rigorous IDP vetting.
I too believe that those who had land somewhere, genuinely acquired, have gone back there.

Granted there may be few othres who did not own land anywhere but had cut out a niche for themselves somewhere, but were routed by PEV, lost everything and today they have no where to go.
Such cases should be very few though!!
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Inuendo
#20 Posted : Sunday, April 24, 2011 9:53:26 AM
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Just wondering, is it possible for the government to
1. Identify real IDPs
2. Carry out survey on the lands that they have been "chased" from
3. Buy the land from the IDPs and use the proceeds to give to each family of IDPs
4. IDPs buy their own land wherever they want!

d'oh!
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