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Nigeria elections - shame on Kenya, CIV, Zimbabwe, Uganda
B.Timer
#11 Posted : Monday, April 18, 2011 7:26:44 PM
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[quote=masukuma]boss, you are so naive! of course elections that are one sided are considered "free and fair!" like kenya's 2002 election, the 2 referendums. the issue is - what happens when its too close to call? Nigeria is far from being a true democracy, a true democracy is where people respect the institutions of and that cannot be detected from a one sided win!
the only test is if Goodluck johnson had 49% and had spent a load of cash in the campaign and the some other fellow had 51% in a second round voting and people accepted the electoral commission's decision! that would be a TRUE DEMOCRACY! bila hiyo, unajidanganya! politics in africa is too highstaked.[/quote

So true.
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#12 Posted : Monday, April 18, 2011 8:19:00 PM
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negative ethnicity is the biggest problem in Africa. Ghana was able to have peaceful polls though.
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#13 Posted : Monday, April 18, 2011 8:21:01 PM
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One major problem is that the runner up is always reluctant to concede defeat.If the former Ivorian president, or even Tinga himself or MK conceded defeat and probably say that he will work with the president elect then that would signal the dawn of democracy.

The main problem with our leaders across the divide is that none can be beaten, this fans their supporters anger and the inevitable happens.God help our leaders to accept defeat as part of life esp where the margin is narrow.

Lets watch as the situation unfolds.I pray that peace prevails rather than the shame visited upon the hapless citizens in the name of fighting for our preferred candidate.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:46:07 AM
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@Djinn, you spoke too soon ma broda!!
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Djinn
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 8:10:49 AM
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No, I do not think I have spoken to soon. If I may paraphrase one of the observers...its not the outcome rather the process leading to it.

Anyone saying that true democracy means a 49-51 situation...well...so when its 60-40 its a travesty? C'mon, get real!

We have to face the fact that the Muslims are a minority - you cannot change the math there - its a given. Some muslims voted for Goodluck.
Djinn
#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 8:22:09 AM
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and just to clarify, i wrote "relatively calm and transparent elections" - for those keen on using numbers, would you like to offer a formula to show how violent their outcome is?

perhaps deaths per capita? Kenya saw 1000 dead for a population of 40 million....so I suppose if Nigeria saw 3000 dead for a population of 150 million then its still a better election?

Lets not go back to the old way of thinking. I am not alone is asserting that this is Nigeria best election and Jonathan Goodluck IS a GREAT candidate. I have been to Nigeria (Lagos and Abuja) about 10 times in the last 12 months and have been gauging the mood on the ground. Goodluck has support both in the North and the South. The only reason we cannot have a 48-52 situation is because he is the only candidate with a very very broad agenda for ALL Nigerians. he is without certain inhibitions if you like...

gohill
#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:10:41 AM
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Djinn wrote:
and just to clarify, i wrote "relatively calm and transparent elections" - for those keen on using numbers, would you like to offer a formula to show how violent their outcome is?

perhaps deaths per capita? Kenya saw 1000 dead for a population of 40 million....so I suppose if Nigeria saw 3000 dead for a population of 150 million then its still a better election?

Lets not go back to the old way of thinking. I am not alone is asserting that this is Nigeria best election and Jonathan Goodluck IS a GREAT candidate. I have been to Nigeria (Lagos and Abuja) about 10 times in the last 12 months and have been gauging the mood on the ground. Goodluck has support both in the North and the South. The only reason we cannot have a 48-52 situation is because he is the only candidate with a very very broad agenda for ALL Nigerians. he is without certain inhibitions if you like...


I disagree. Even if it's one death of a person through violence, that's a bad election.
Djinn
#18 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:57:21 AM
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gohill wrote:
Djinn wrote:
and just to clarify, i wrote "relatively calm and transparent elections" - for those keen on using numbers, would you like to offer a formula to show how violent their outcome is?

perhaps deaths per capita? Kenya saw 1000 dead for a population of 40 million....so I suppose if Nigeria saw 3000 dead for a population of 150 million then its still a better election?

Lets not go back to the old way of thinking. I am not alone is asserting that this is Nigeria best election and Jonathan Goodluck IS a GREAT candidate. I have been to Nigeria (Lagos and Abuja) about 10 times in the last 12 months and have been gauging the mood on the ground. Goodluck has support both in the North and the South. The only reason we cannot have a 48-52 situation is because he is the only candidate with a very very broad agenda for ALL Nigerians. he is without certain inhibitions if you like...


I disagree. Even if it's one death of a person through violence, that's a bad election.


But not necessarily an undemocratic one....there will always be fire brands who cannot accept defeat and will foment disquiet even if its the gesture of the vanquished.

I am not for violence...but it will happen.
McReggae
#19 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 10:01:46 AM
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Djinn,
What's your comparison between Nigeria's 2011 polls and kenya's 2002 polls....any parrallels????
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2011 10:15:38 AM
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Democracy is not the absence of violence but I believe its the public trust on institutions.

Nigeria violence will obviously be concentrated on the muslim north since they are angry a Christian is winning in an election where a gentleman's agreement[remember our own MOU ] dictates a Muslim be elected a president due to the rotation agreement.

In the US we saw how Al-Gore and Bush had a tussle on florida election the supreme court had to intervene to calm the tension that was brewing.

In africa the problem come when forming our institutions like in Kenya we dont have a credible justice system leave alone the legislature.
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