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ecstacy
#11 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 2:11:21 PM
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Insurgent wrote:
If any one disagrees on any line of the article above, point it out we debate the same. otherwise, the article is well balance. Managu managu should write one for kibaki to balance the equation.


I agree with Insurgent. If anyone questions the facts as stated, pls highlight it for discussion instead of resorting to playing victim - 'my man is being attacked'. The man is as depicted.
Wendz
#12 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:29:09 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
Insurgent wrote:
If any one disagrees on any line of the article above, point it out we debate the same. otherwise, the article is well balance. Managu managu should write one for kibaki to balance the equation.


I agree with Insurgent. If anyone questions the facts as stated, pls highlight it for discussion instead of resorting to playing victim - 'my man is being attacked'. The man is as depicted.


Disclaimer: First and foremost, let it be known that i am not necessarily an RAO supporter but i also am not a blind supporter to his opponents.

This i will direct specifically to @ecstacy and Insurgent because you requested for it but anyone else with something tangible is welcome not just hot air.....

is there any evidence that you can give us to indicate that RAO in whichever way connived with ICC to have the names of the suspects? Who gave the names? I thought these were the names from the Waki Commission that were handed over to Koffi Annan and the envelop was never opened? At what point were these names debated, inserted and sneaked them in? How come all the names came in as a shocker? such things cant go at that level without being noticed by anyone.... who has the waki report and is it available to public? then you can deduce how the names appeared. if they are adversely mentioned in the report, you surely expect them to be there. Remember the names were i think 12 but were reduced based on the magnitude of the 'evidence' the court had.

Give me the evidence or anything that can give us some concrete reason to believe RAO is actually behind the selection of the names and he actually schemed to have these names mentioned and i will believe with you that RAO is not a devil reincarnate, he is the devil himself!
ecstacy
#13 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:50:57 PM
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Wendz wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
Insurgent wrote:
If any one disagrees on any line of the article above, point it out we debate the same. otherwise, the article is well balance. Managu managu should write one for kibaki to balance the equation.


I agree with Insurgent. If anyone questions the facts as stated, pls highlight it for discussion instead of resorting to playing victim - 'my man is being attacked'. The man is as depicted.


Disclaimer: First and foremost, let it be known that i am not necessarily an RAO supporter but i also am not a blind supporter to his opponents.

This i will direct specifically to @ecstacy and Insurgent because you requested for it but anyone else with something tangible is welcome not just hot air.....

is there any evidence that you can give us to indicate that RAO in whichever way connived with ICC to have the names of the suspects? Who gave the names? I thought these were the names from the Waki Commission that were handed over to Koffi Annan and the envelop was never opened? At what point were these names debated, inserted and sneaked them in? How come all the names came in as a shocker? such things cant go at that level without being noticed by anyone.... who has the waki report and is it available to public? then you can deduce how the names appeared. if they are adversely mentioned in the report, you surely expect them to be there. Remember the names were i think 12 but were reduced based on the magnitude of the 'evidence' the court had.

Give me the evidence or anything that can give us some concrete reason to believe RAO is actually behind the selection of the names and he actually schemed to have these names mentioned and i will believe with you that RAO is not a devil reincarnate, he is the devil himself!


@Wendz, anything else not factual according to you or it is just that?
Burning Spear
#14 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:05:39 PM
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I cannot subtract anything from the above article but can only add!!!!!!! To me the article was well researched and the writer gets an A-
"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
2012
#15 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:14:44 PM
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Location: Nairobi
The PM is supposed to address the nation today at some point. Has he already done it and what's it all about? If not, when is he doing it? Thx.

BBI will solve it
:)
Wendz
#16 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:58:15 PM
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ecstacy wrote:

@Wendz, anything else not factual according to you or it is just that?


for now, i will be ok with this. Others have some elements that can be refuted or proved not to be an exception of one politician but i prefer to restrict the discussion to this particular one because it is more relevant to the current situation.
ecstacy
#17 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:06:07 PM
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Wendz wrote:
ecstacy wrote:

@Wendz, anything else not factual according to you or it is just that?


for now, i will be ok with this. Others have some elements that can be refuted or proved not to be an exception of one politician but i prefer to restrict the discussion to this particular one because it is more relevant to the current situation.


You responded to one fact you don't agree with, with a page full of discussion. Pls bullet out the rest, why stop with one? We discussing the entire article not current affairs only. I'll be patient to this and concise in return.
bwenyenye
#18 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:09:02 PM
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McReggae wrote:
bwenyenye wrote:
Guys,

Please get your hands on RAOs bibliography. It is a good read that makes one understand him better. well,IF you can find it!


......the one that many people quote without ever reading!!!!!!


@Mc,

I have a copy of it. I would not recommend something I have not read. What I know is that it seems to have been either sold out and not replenished or just withdrawn from the Kenyan book stores. You may be able to get it out of the country. That is what I did. That is how much I want to know more about anyone who wants to take charge of my beloved country. And nt just RAO, I get as much infor as I can on ALL of them: even Koigi when he was running. That is why I hardly engage in empty talk on politicians and leaders in this country.
There is very good information on all these people 'hidden' in the bookstores. Avoid getting info from blogging. It is more of Porojo
I Think Therefore I Am
Jus Blazin
#19 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:24:08 PM
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@bwenyenye, its good to know that there are people with the reading culture like you and want to learn more about leaders of this country. However, dont you think that in your quest to know more about someone, the contents of the bibliography may be one-sided? And that blogs or tabloids can bring about the other side of the coin?
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
oteve
#20 Posted : Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:29:53 PM
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Joined: 9/9/2009
Posts: 53
@wendz I have not seen any part of yhe article accusing RAO of influencing the ICC what I see is his celebration on his opponents predicament that is there for all and sundry to see
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