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kibaki nominates visram as chief justice
McReggae
#21 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 11:54:26 AM
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Absurd.....mazarau...
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Wa_ithaka
#22 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:05:11 PM
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We are playing with fire na nisisi tutachomeka.
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newfarer
#23 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:19:28 PM
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Since Wazuans are mostly middle class , enlightened of the population , we should alway point it out when the constitution is is broken ,regardless of our political alignment .

Today it is ODM rights affected , tommorow it may be your own constitutional rights affected .

When the constitution is broken atleast say so.

I know i have severally been accused of at one time being a PNU sympathiser and at another time an ODM sympathiser depending on the topic at at .

But I will keep on doing and saying what is right on this forum.

I will strive to do what is right , knowing that on the Judgement Day everybody will answer for his action and omissions.

Instead of being a class of whiners , we should strive to correct any wrongs we see.
punda amecheka
vinii
#24 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:23:54 PM
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..the implementation of the new constitution has suffered a setback...
If you are an eagle don't hang around with chickens; chickens don't fly....
Intelligentsia
#25 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:41:25 PM
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newfarer, thanks for setting record straight.

BTW, newfarer = fundaah? discuss (20 marks)
newfarer
#26 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:51:42 PM
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Intelligentsia wrote:
newfarer, thanks for setting record straight.

BTW, newfarer = fundaah? discuss (20 marks)



Since Fundaah decided to run away from her responsibilities at Wazua, I decided to take up her position.

Remember she was the constitution fighter, she was also corruption fighter, hate fighter , she was also a devoted christian.

Now where is she when all these injustice is happening around.

Even after Elijah , Elisha had to take over.

We share the same ideologies.

Fundaah was a one No nonsense lady while I am one pinetree carrier with a weakness of viewing airport carriers and confessing it on this forum
Remember I got lostsmile smile smile ,and lost a coin sometime backsmile smile .

I also bought dangerous herbal medicine which kept me awake for a whole nightSad Sad Sad .

If you havent seen these stories , just google wazua.

I doubt you can get these from fundaah.

But if you still think I am fundaah , she was one character I admired in my newfarer stage of Wazua, so it will be a pleasant boost as this will make me feel as a Wazua elder.
punda amecheka
For Sport
#27 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:52:21 PM
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So why do we have law and rules if we cant stick to them? The leadership must learn to toe the line and operate within the confines of the law. And those rules must be applied equally across the board. Isnt it just the other day that there was all this hulab about appointments to public office and transparency etc. the laid down process mst be followed for all appointments. i can live with whatever goo is appointed if the process is fair.
This country cannot be run like anyone’s personal business. Because it is not.
@ newfarer...other than ranting here, what can i do? Give me a practical option. just one
newfarer
#28 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:00:17 PM
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For Sport wrote:
So why do we have law and rules if we cant stick to them? The leadership must learn to toe the line and operate within the confines of the law. And those rules must be applied equally across the board. Isnt it just the other day that there was all this hulab about appointments to public office and transparency etc. the laid down process mst be followed for all appointments. i can live with whatever goo is appointed if the process is fair.
This country cannot be run like anyone’s personal business. Because it is not.
@ newfarer...other than ranting here, what can i do? Give me a practical option. just one


Ranting here is a very effective way of passing the message to the relevant authorities , in this forum , there is NSIS members , Media,PSs ,Police , Army members .Once the message gets to these , MK and Raila will read in the newspapers and watch TV besides the NSIS breifings .

Wazua is widely visited/read.

Remember Egyptians and Tunisians have been using internet to organise their protests and they have been effective

punda amecheka
aemathenge
#29 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:03:14 PM
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Could someone please interprete "In Consultation with the Prime Minister...." for us lesser mortals and give us the procedures that should be undertaken for "Consultation" to have deemed successful?

Supposing during "In Consultation.." both principals do not agree, then what?

Do they really have to agree?

Please enlighten me before I make a verdict.
newfarer
#30 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:15:57 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
Could someone please interprete "In Consultation with the Prime Minister...." for us lesser mortals and give us the procedures that should be undertaken for "Consultation" to have deemed successful?

Supposing during "In Consultation.." both principals do not agree, then what?

Do they really have to agree?

Please enlighten me before I make a verdict.



Yes they have to agree , that is the main purpose of consulting , otherwise why consult ?
punda amecheka
For Sport
#31 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:33:58 PM
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Consultation goes beyond informing (or at least it should). It means you seek advice and heed it. Which suggests that there must be some form of consensus.
Ha, we’re just like Zim (remember morgan complaining about not being consulted on key appointments to government) – and some lawyers arguing that consultation did not mean that Bob had to accept Morgan’s views. And of course others arguing otherwise. we've exported really bad examples....
All said, its a matter of interpretation. Words can be stretched or shrunk to mean anything. Question is – tulitoka wapi? What was the spirit of this particular requirement.
rasilio
#32 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:34:54 PM
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great job newfarer.

consulting means exactly that. Consulting. The problem is that one guy can say they were not consulted if no agreement is made. So yes they have to agree. Kibaki apende asipende.

I am a constitutional buff and don't take kindly to those who think laws are there to be read only.

If Raila swears an affidavit that he was not consulted, then you and any other kenyan can take up the case in court and that will be the end of that. In fact, the parliamentary committee can refuse to work with the names based on that and so can Marende.

I now believe these PNU guys are hell bent on subverting the law. Of course closely followed by these ODM guys.

What interests me the most is the reaction of those appointed as CJ, AG and DPP. They will be expected to uphold the law. If their first act in office is to subvert the constitution by accepting this flawed nominations exactly where will Kenya be heading?
2 Miles
#33 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:14:46 PM
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What interests me is that some ODM mps allied to the Kalenjin kingpin will be in full support of baks. Had this occurred 2 years ago when the party was strong, these same fellows would now be up in arms. Political future of these country is bleak, very bleak. Constitutions are meant to promote governance and that is why the whole process is expensive. Why spend so much in the referendum and in the implementation of the constitution then mock it ????
Buster
#34 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:24:37 PM
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I support TAZ. No need to Blame BAKS, His is just a political game with nothing to lose. We should blame the MPIGS should they decide to pass the names in Parliament. This is the time for them to rise up and show us that the Constitution is above EVERYBODY.

By the way do you think this is a pointer to early elections... First they raise Funds through 6969 and then try and appoint a 'friendly' CJ and AG?
YesuWangu
#35 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:52:19 PM
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I agree with Buster over here. Cry our beloved country.

Why would parliament provide a check on a runway president especially if both are up to no good?

A strong president was to check against a rogue parliament and vice versa.

But alas, political expediency will carry the day.

Cry our beloved country.
kadonye
#36 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:27:59 PM
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Interesting developments.One thing is clear: Kibaki should consult Amolo.I am convinced that is where clarity ends.What is consultation?How should it be done?Do they need to sign somewhere everything they agree on?Two possibilities: Kibaki has consulted Odinga and either they did not come to a proper conclusion or Raila is just playing politics with us by backtracking on his decision.(he knows how to play victim politics well).Possibility 2:Kibaki decided to be jeuri by ignoring the national accord!BOTH ARE POSSIBLE!
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
For Sport
#37 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:12:15 PM
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Alfred Mutua on what consultation mean
“Consultation does not mean 100% agreement or 100% consensus – otherwise this country would never move forward” or some crap like that.

again, was this provision designed just to keep the PM informed OR was it meant to reflect the power sharing agreement?
rasilio
#38 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:56:05 PM
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(2) A new Chief Justice shall be appointed by the President, subject to the National Accord and Reconciliation Act, and after consultation with the Prime Minister and with the approval of the National Assembly.

Every time these pnu guys play tricks with legal matters, IDP's are created.
mlennyma
#39 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:06:56 PM
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The guy representing ruto in a case becomes the prosecutor?baks a break please!..raila is not perfect but am now ready to give him my vote as preso.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
KenSaf
#40 Posted : Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:15:30 PM
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Do we really expect MPs to vote with their heads????. I smelled something fishy when the Eldoret meeting was held. With all this fighting of the TWO principals, when will ever think of development issues, when will they think of IDPs. Coalition government was a bad option
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