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KIBAKI MUST GO!!!
caesar
#21 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:41:00 PM
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@Obi 1 Kanobi

When Stephen was stoned,he 'saw the glory of God,and Jesus standing on the right ... with its golden chair and Christ seated at the Father's side' He was free...

The youth should free themselves,from yokes of their elders,They know what to do... Thus they must do it...

Those who saw Stephen saw a dying man... Living by his convictions Stephen saw the most precious thing... Be the judge...

Lets take on the streets; Lets demand new elections... it is not about our past but about our
Seq Lu
#22 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:57:00 PM
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Hei iii hey.

You!

Mtakamatwa. Mshikwe. na mpewe dawa!

Thats why we say..

... This is Kenya!


If a man hasn't discovered anything he can die for,then he is not worth living!
They keep moving the cheese

stolen from opensuse forums :)
Obi 1 Kanobi
#23 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 2:59:00 PM
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@Ceaser

Trust me,all the answers are in the past,

You know the saying that if you want to eat an elephant,do it in small bites. Yes thats it.

Infact its in this very site that we have just gone full cycle on the politics issue. I remember just 2 months ago that we got soo disgusted with our politicians that we decided to form a change group,had the site set up by Alma and Mkristo.

We were not patient enuf to hang on to the idea and now we are back where we were then,ranting,screaming and pulling our hairs about RAO-MK or ODM-PNU.




I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
ecstacy
#24 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:35:00 PM
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Interesting how James Orengo showed a lot of what sounded like true respect and support to Martha Karua. F***k RAO and Kibs,provide support true reformists and development minded Kenyans like Martha Karua (+ Orengo,+Tuju,+Gakuo,+Michuki,+Githongo,+PLO,+Peter Kenneth,+Bitange Ndemo,+Njoki Ndung'u etc) in 2012. Meanwhile we have close to 4 years to work not politik. Kazi iendelee!
Waria
#25 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:46:00 PM
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Me first,U next
Obi 1 Kanobi
#26 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:58:00 PM
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Why is it that people here are not supportive of the new constitution,is it that we don't want proper laws or what.

Even here in the UK,there is some degree of tribalism (only they refer to it as nationalism since a tribe is derogatory and meant to apply to africans). The English look at themselves as superior to the welsh,the scots and the irish etc. They also favour themselves for the better jobs where the last criteria is judgement.

What holds this people together are laws. Kenyans must keep their eye on the ball (a new constitution),there is nothing else we need,we can have central kenya president for eternity and it will not matter if the country's laws are bigger than the people who oversee them.

Please all,lets ensure we have a new progressive constitution by the year end. After that,we can re-evaluate the wannabe leaders. For now its all about tribes.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
caesar
#27 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:00:00 PM
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A comparison of What Kenya is & What Kenya Can be.

Exposes wide gaps in every issue,process,way of life one can look at...

Thus the people are more knowledge than the systems they have put in place & the leaders they have elected to govern them.

The greatest resource of Kenya is the Kenyan people & greatest block of their progress is their state...

We are sacrificing progress because we do not trust that we can live at peace with one another...

Why do we need a bloated cabinet,paying all these guys lots of money,Why does our parliament play games with the people?

Why is our leaders resisting reforms? Times change and we must change too.

Let it be said that reforms are good for our country. Those against reforms will not last long in Kenyan politics.

What happened to guys like Abkadir,Luketon,Kenneth,Kaloki,Lumumba,How long does it take to start shinning in a place like Kenya.

Why are you guys silent about Martha's resignation... Be free guys... Share your views... What happened to things you learned in Harvard days...
smano
#28 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:27:00 PM
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@Obi1Kanobi,have never agreed with anyone more than I agree with you on this one.

Shamba la Wanyama defines clearly the state we are in - for as long as guys in ukambani don't have irrigation to take care of perennial drought,guys in Budalangi are not given an answer to the flood problem,guys in the North still stuck in the dark ages,guys in RV are incited over land,guys in coasto still believe they need their guy to run the port,guys in Mt. Kenya still believe they have an inalienable right to the seat and so on and so forth,then we'll still need our politicians to 'solve' these problems for us,not seeing that politicians know that once these problems are solved,the common guy will see the light and no longer need them - and that will be their end. How do you explain Ngilu a few months back being shown on TV at a natural spring hidden in ukambani and claiming she never in her wildest dreams would have thought that such a thing exists in the heartland of ukambani. I have not heard of an irrigation scheme being set up there afterwards. Our situations of scarcity mentality allow these Mpigs to continue with their bullshit. And they're all the same,every single one of them. What we need is to close our ears and vote each one of them out come next election,both the new and old guard,and get an untainted lot into the mix of things. But without a consitution to put things right as it were and correct all the pasr errors of the Kenyatta,Moi & now Baks regime,our dreams will remain just that. I only pray I can witness change in my lifetime,and am in my late 20's. But I will be content with a good life for our future generation

smano
BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US AND WANTS US TO BE HAPPY!
eli
#29 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:41:00 PM
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I say Kibaki must NOT go! Why the noise about his exit. Its you who voted him. Yes,its you! You + me voted him in and even shed blood to ensure that he was 'duly elected' president of Kenya. Not even a year is gone and now you are saying Kibaki must go? Relax guys. Time is not yet.

But you shall remember the LORD your God,for it is He who is giving you power to make wealth,that He may confirm His covenant which He swore to your fathers,as it is this day. Deu 8:18
caesar
#30 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:56:00 PM
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@ Eli

Yes I voted for Kibaki. 'Kazi Iendelee' I chanted. Fought with Karua & highlighted genocide of the Kiambaa Church...

That was then,as of now Kibaki,Kimunya,Michuki,Ruto,Muthaura,Muhoho,Makwere,Gacheru,Ali,Wako,are all against the Reforms that Kenya needs. Yet these people have the real power.

The reforms,progressive agenda,that will see Kenya achieve its breakthroughs,will not be realized in the hands of these people...

We need People who are hiding in NGO's in the helm of our Nation...

We can have running clean drinking water everywhere in the country,

We can have good healthcare,good education,good jobs,

We can live peacefully/ work with/ share happy and sad moments with each of our different tribes friends. We are better than what our leaders think of us...
Mali
#31 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:12:00 PM
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but he just come back? I mean,he just flew back.........

if the incompetent and the reckless compete,the result is a disaster.. MN
adept
#32 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:37:00 PM
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Really hope the youth will not disappoint again in 2012. I fully support the drive for & enactment of a new constitution. But I think its impact is over-rated. We must tone down our expectations.

I have a feeling that Kenyans will be much more disappointed than they were after NARC's 2002 victory once the excitement fades away and reality checks in. It will be very similar to what we experienced once there was no longer a Moi-figure to blame all our problems on. We'll need a new 'high'...

One of our biggest drawbacks is a lack of respect for the law...and it is happening under the old constitution...and will continue under the new constitution... unless we learn to enforce the letter and spirit of the law & change the way we do our politics

But that said,a new constitution will be an important step forward for Kenya as a growing democracy...
caesar
#33 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:58:00 PM
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@ Adept

Karua could have foreseen the making of our constitution. Now she frustrated and forced out. Kibaki,has the same powers Moi had in his 80's this old guy can die any time. Why does he have to gamble the country future to satisfy his hubris.

With all these hand pointed judges how independent is our judiciary?
Obi 1 Kanobi
#34 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2009 7:51:00 PM
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@Adept,you disappoint me,and you obviously have a short memory

Kenya has improved significantly post Moi. Granted the gava has not moved an inch but the rest of kenyans have improved.

There are more opportunities albeit for the well off,look around you at the number of private universities keeping money home that used to go overseas.

Move around and see how much the CDF's are doing at the grassroots.

There is more transparency,and while small corruption is still there,the grand theft is now discovered in its early stages.

You say kenyans do not obey the law,I say you are wrong,where the law is clear,most kenyans will follow it.

It is only in ambiguos situations when following the law is fullhardy and down right silly that kenyans like any sane person opt to bend them,a quick example is a traffic cop who offers you an option to give TKK or have your car towed to the cop station (while it can move) from where unclear charges will be leveled against you,and also where any complaints you make will attract no sympathies from their superiors. Why bother following the law when the law itself will not be served by your actions. Just take the short and easier route coz you have no option.

A new constitution will not magically place food on anyone's table (SA has one of the best constitutions in the world but still has its challanges),but for those of us who are willing to work hard and honestly,it will improve our opportunities for a better life.



I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Liv
#35 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:46:00 AM
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Obi-1,

Well said... though personally I do not bribe... and I tell them (cops) on the face.
Wendz
#36 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:46:00 AM
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@Obi

Well put.

Some deals are like glass. Sometimes it's better to leave them broken than try to hurt yourself putting it back together.
Mundu-mugo
#37 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:37:00 AM
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This is a song that has no taste and for the shallow minded. And when he goes who comes. Some are are saying the youth are ready for readership. The same youth who are burning their own libraries,their schools and for ever indulging in cheap brew from early morning to late night.I pity Kenyans

muthuri mwanake
The General
#38 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:51:00 AM
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@ obi,spot on.

The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
mlefu
#39 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:32:00 PM
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soo many posts on politics,kibaki this that,raila here there and all that..as Obi puts it..baks really changed the country..as put somewhere else,Kenya Media has played the biggest role in feeding us with cheap politics,the times of Kenyans against corruption..NEWS were everything..they were educative,the times of Michuki road rules..i miss those kind of news since they forced concerned persons to act and i swear Kenya we were headed somewhere..watch the news or read the media today..politics allover even the willing to work leaders dont bother anymore... if i had the guts to organise a steet demo..it wld be against the media..f*** this idiots

muthomi mugi aiikagia maitho kabere...
caesar
#40 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2009 1:16:00 PM
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@Mlefu

It is not about our past,it is about our future. Thus I am calling on the Kibaki's of tommorow to step up and take on leadership.

Kenyan's are very resourceful. If Uganda is growing at 6.6%,Tanzania 7.3%,Rwanda 6%,Sudan 8.2%,Ethiopia 10.2%,Kenya 2.8%.

If the benchmark is other countries around us then Kibaki is a total mess. We could be doing better. These guys in power are so stingy that they cannot believe that they are the reason why we do not have progress.

Allow reforms and let the future take care of the future. The media is a friend of the people. All our intelligent youth are either in the Media,NGO's,or universities. They are locked out of political power because they do not have money to campaign.

People with great Ideals like Lumumba,others with conscience like Githongo,others with courage like Maina Kiai,Mwalimu Mati,Okolloh...

Give these people real power,and see the giant leaps we Kenya will make...
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