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Liv wrote:mkenyan wrote:
think you started you post on the premise that justice odunga was the sole cause of 'all there', then realized they were three judges (and only one with an o name for that matter) so you had to change to a 5 judges bench. a 5 judges bench would have at best for iebc only meant that 3 out of 5 judges held the same way as of now.
What are you trying to say here? That you could read my mind and thought process or what? Why don't you hold your peace if you've nothing of value to say? was politely saying that your reasoning lacked the first six letters.
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IEBC issued their statement today at noon. Elections must go on as scheduled.Below is their program. 10th July - Meeting with all presidential candidates. 11th July- Receive Public participation views. 12th July- Review of above. 14th.. I think is the set date to start printing?? According to chebukati the burden rests with the PPOA to draft the framework that will act as guide for public participation. Well, they have 9th and 10th to do all that..😦😦 The PPOA still provides room for direct procurement under the following conditions. 1. if there's urgent need for goods /services being procured 2. if because of urgency the other available methods are impractical 3.if the circumstances that gave rise to the urgency were not foreseeable and not as a result of dilatory conduct on behalf of the procuring entity. And yes IEBC will appeal says chebs. Do we even have time to follow due process? "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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essyk wrote:IEBC issued their statement today at noon.
Elections must go on as scheduled.Below is their program.
10th July - Meeting with all presidential candidates.
11th July- Receive Public participation views.
12th July- Review of above.
14th.. I think is the set date to start printing??
According to chebukati the burden rests with the PPOA
to draft the framework that will act as guide for public participation.
Well, they have 9th and 10th to do all that..😦😦
The PPOA still provides room for direct procurement under the following conditions.
1. if there's urgent need for goods /services being procured
2. if because of urgency the other available methods are impractical
3.if the circumstances that gave rise to the urgency were not foreseeable and not as a result of dilatory conduct on behalf of the procuring entity.
And yes IEBC will appeal says chebs.
Do we even have time to follow due process? Interesting how these "gov't officials" seem to read my posts and do what I said should be done. The election is on 8/8. Watu wapende wasipende. Cases can go on until 8/7 midnight. On 8/9 the rest of us go on with our biacharars. If these people can not do that work, they should resign now and save us the embarrassment. In 2022 Ruto who shall be an underdog shall depend on these very court cases that people are complaining about now. By they way if the review is just a paper review, ole wao. There shall be another court case on the 14th. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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IEBC announcement"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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mkenyan wrote:Liv wrote:mkenyan wrote:
think you started you post on the premise that justice odunga was the sole cause of 'all there', then realized they were three judges (and only one with an o name for that matter) so you had to change to a 5 judges bench. a 5 judges bench would have at best for iebc only meant that 3 out of 5 judges held the same way as of now.
What are you trying to say here? That you could read my mind and thought process or what? Why don't you hold your peace if you've nothing of value to say? was politely saying that your reasoning lacked the first six letters.
You are wrong.... And your assumptions were incorrect. You put your reasoning here including all the letters.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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essyk wrote:IEBC issued their statement today at noon.
Elections must go on as scheduled.Below is their program.
10th July - Meeting with all presidential candidates.
11th July- Receive Public participation views.
12th July- Review of above.
14th.. I think is the set date to start printing??
According to chebukati the burden rests with the PPOA
to draft the framework that will act as guide for public participation.
Well, they have 9th and 10th to do all that..😦😦
The PPOA still provides room for direct procurement under the following conditions.
1. if there's urgent need for goods /services being procured
2. if because of urgency the other available methods are impractical
3.if the circumstances that gave rise to the urgency were not foreseeable and not as a result of dilatory conduct on behalf of the procuring entity.
And yes IEBC will appeal says chebs.
Do we even have time to follow due process? Let them appeal...They will never win.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/25/2011 Posts: 2,103 Location: Nrb
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Liv wrote:mkenyan wrote:Liv wrote:mkenyan wrote:
think you started you post on the premise that justice odunga was the sole cause of 'all there', then realized they were three judges (and only one with an o name for that matter) so you had to change to a 5 judges bench. a 5 judges bench would have at best for iebc only meant that 3 out of 5 judges held the same way as of now.
What are you trying to say here? That you could read my mind and thought process or what? Why don't you hold your peace if you've nothing of value to say? was politely saying that your reasoning lacked the first six letters.
You are wrong.... And your assumptions were incorrect. You put your reasoning here including all the letters. @liv,siku mingi.uko poa lakini? I am happy
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Dr Matsanga wrote:By Matsanga David
DOES CONFLICT OF INTEREST OCCUR WHEN A LAWYER IS RELATED TO THE JUDGE ON THE BENCH
Is the Chief Justice of Kenya or the Judiciary aware that one senior lawyer in opposition in Kenya is winning all cases that go to the Constitutional Court of Kenya for interpretation of the courts ? If there is an "intetest" or relationship between lawyers and Judges in normal democracies the Judge excludes himself or herself.
LOOK AT THESE ALLEGATIONS AND THE RELATIONSHIP MY LORD THE CHIEF JUSTICE.DOESNT IT WORRY THE JUDICIARY ?
Hon, Justice Odunga's wife is Sarah Ondiek, daughter of the former MP for ugenya constituency Archbishop Stephen Ondiek and Concilia Ondiek(Orengo's sister), Her other siblings are MILKA who works at the Attoney Generals office, Beril in America and James orengo junior
DOES THIS EXPLAIN WHY MY OLD FRIEND JAMES ORENGO WINS ALL CASES THAT GO BEFORE THE JUDGE INCLUDING ONE OF PRESIDENTIAL.BALLOT PAPERS?
ASKING FOR CURIOUS KENYANS AND AFRICANS .
GOOD SUNDAY....
Dr David Matsanga
Son of Soil of Africa
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maka wrote:essyk wrote:IEBC issued their statement today at noon.
Elections must go on as scheduled.Below is their program.
10th July - Meeting with all presidential candidates.
11th July- Receive Public participation views.
12th July- Review of above.
14th.. I think is the set date to start printing??
According to chebukati the burden rests with the PPOA
to draft the framework that will act as guide for public participation.
Well, they have 9th and 10th to do all that..😦😦
The PPOA still provides room for direct procurement under the following conditions.
1. if there's urgent need for goods /services being procured
2. if because of urgency the other available methods are impractical
3.if the circumstances that gave rise to the urgency were not foreseeable and not as a result of dilatory conduct on behalf of the procuring entity.
And yes IEBC will appeal says chebs.
Do we even have time to follow due process? Let them appeal...They will never win.... I thought the appeal is premised on getting judicial interpretation on 'public participation"? Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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hardwood wrote:Dr Matsanga wrote:By Matsanga David
DOES CONFLICT OF INTEREST OCCUR WHEN A LAWYER IS RELATED TO THE JUDGE ON THE BENCH
Is the Chief Justice of Kenya or the Judiciary aware that one senior lawyer in opposition in Kenya is winning all cases that go to the Constitutional Court of Kenya for interpretation of the courts ? If there is an "intetest" or relationship between lawyers and Judges in normal democracies the Judge excludes himself or herself.
LOOK AT THESE ALLEGATIONS AND THE RELATIONSHIP MY LORD THE CHIEF JUSTICE.DOESNT IT WORRY THE JUDICIARY ?
Hon, Justice Odunga's wife is Sarah Ondiek, daughter of the former MP for ugenya constituency Archbishop Stephen Ondiek and Concilia Ondiek(Orengo's sister), Her other siblings are MILKA who works at the Attoney Generals office, Beril in America and James orengo junior
DOES THIS EXPLAIN WHY MY OLD FRIEND JAMES ORENGO WINS ALL CASES THAT GO BEFORE THE JUDGE INCLUDING ONE OF PRESIDENTIAL.BALLOT PAPERS?
ASKING FOR CURIOUS KENYANS AND AFRICANS .
GOOD SUNDAY....
Dr David Matsanga
Son of Soil of Africa As much as this Matsanga looks a bully sometimes he speaks sense, of course depending on which side you are Life is an endless adventure
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freiks wrote:hardwood wrote:Dr Matsanga wrote:By Matsanga David
DOES CONFLICT OF INTEREST OCCUR WHEN A LAWYER IS RELATED TO THE JUDGE ON THE BENCH
Is the Chief Justice of Kenya or the Judiciary aware that one senior lawyer in opposition in Kenya is winning all cases that go to the Constitutional Court of Kenya for interpretation of the courts ? If there is an "intetest" or relationship between lawyers and Judges in normal democracies the Judge excludes himself or herself.
LOOK AT THESE ALLEGATIONS AND THE RELATIONSHIP MY LORD THE CHIEF JUSTICE.DOESNT IT WORRY THE JUDICIARY ?
Hon, Justice Odunga's wife is Sarah Ondiek, daughter of the former MP for ugenya constituency Archbishop Stephen Ondiek and Concilia Ondiek(Orengo's sister), Her other siblings are MILKA who works at the Attoney Generals office, Beril in America and James orengo junior
DOES THIS EXPLAIN WHY MY OLD FRIEND JAMES ORENGO WINS ALL CASES THAT GO BEFORE THE JUDGE INCLUDING ONE OF PRESIDENTIAL.BALLOT PAPERS?
ASKING FOR CURIOUS KENYANS AND AFRICANS .
GOOD SUNDAY....
Dr David Matsanga
Son of Soil of Africa As much as this Matsanga looks a bully sometimes he speaks sense, of course depending on which side you are So the 3 judge bench were all related to Jimmy in one way or another  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Lots of back and forth on what might have influenced the ruling! I think for starters we need to ask ouselves how the three bench court reached its verdict - on the the maters that they ruled on - there were several issues on which they gave determination, aside from the public participation issue. Where all these reached on consensus by all three! - i.e were all three Judges of the same mind on all these issues. Once we get the split if any, then we can talk from there. Separately, long before joining the bench, John Mativo was openly supporting Raila. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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maka wrote:essyk wrote:IEBC issued their statement today at noon.
Elections must go on as scheduled.Below is their program.
10th July - Meeting with all presidential candidates.
11th July- Receive Public participation views.
12th July- Review of above.
14th.. I think is the set date to start printing??
According to chebukati the burden rests with the PPOA
to draft the framework that will act as guide for public participation.
Well, they have 9th and 10th to do all that..😦😦
The PPOA still provides room for direct procurement under the following conditions.
1. if there's urgent need for goods /services being procured
2. if because of urgency the other available methods are impractical
3.if the circumstances that gave rise to the urgency were not foreseeable and not as a result of dilatory conduct on behalf of the procuring entity.
And yes IEBC will appeal says chebs.
Do we even have time to follow due process? Let them appeal...They will never win.... Why such finality? Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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Niko na swali; What exactly is RAO's position on the impartiality of IEBC as currently consituted! Here in Wazua, apart from @FRM2011, the usual RAO supporters, the dyed in the wool ODMers are not hidding their disdain for Chebukati and Co!! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Nandwa wrote:Niko na swali;
What exactly is RAO's position on the impartiality of IEBC as currently consituted!
Here in Wazua, apart from @FRM2011, the usual RAO supporters, the dyed in the wool ODMers are not hidding their disdain for Chebukati and Co!! there are some jobs in kenya where once you take, you are screwed whichher way you behave. iebc's work is already damn hard as it is and is bound to have a several screw ups here and there. now when you add the political angle where whoever loses says you rigged, it becomes a radioactive job. i personally know the ceo and he is as an upright person as you can get. by the time the politico shall be through with him though, a good number of kenyans will think the worst of him. think one day he may look back and wonder why he even applied for that job.
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Ndrama continues  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Nandwa wrote:Niko na swali;
What exactly is RAO's position on the impartiality of IEBC as currently consituted!
Here in Wazua, apart from @FRM2011, the usual RAO supporters, the dyed in the wool ODMers are not hidding their disdain for Chebukati and Co!! You know Chebukati and the other commissioners joined IEBC the other day. And their only interest is influencing the tenders, collect their cut and retire rich. Most don't care who wins. A dangerous combination of greed and incompetence. Biased ? No. Have you ever heard a Koinange street girl who refused to take in a client because of tribe ? Religion ? Political affiliation ? Trouble is at the secretariat. These guys run IEBC. NASA made some grave allegations against the Director of voter registration. IEBC didn't bother to respond. But when you look at the drama surrounding the register, you can tell where the problem is. Ask yourself even if you are not an IT expert. In every database, you have the main identifier. E.g Adm No. in a high school or university, Reg no for a motor vehicle registry. This number cannot be shared. It is also defined in such a way that if it has 6 characters, all alpha-numeric, an entry that fails that condition cannot be accepted. IEBC are holding the most sensitive of databases in Kenya. Its their only job for the last four years. The primary key identifier is the ID number. In Kenya all ID numbers have either 7 or 8 characters. And here we are with 3-digit, 4-digit, 5-digit identity cards. We have over 300,000 double registrations. ID No.12345678 belongs to a young guy in Nandi born in 1990. India published online their 800M list of voters. Nigeria, Ghana, Uganda did the same. It is a legal requirement. But IEBC wamekaa ngumu. NASA bought a copy for 20K and the number of issues coming up are unbelievable.
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FRM2011 wrote:Nandwa wrote:Niko na swali;
What exactly is RAO's position on the impartiality of IEBC as currently consituted!
Here in Wazua, apart from @FRM2011, the usual RAO supporters, the dyed in the wool ODMers are not hidding their disdain for Chebukati and Co!! You know Chebukati and the other commissioners joined IEBC the other day. And their only interest is influencing the tenders, collect their cut and retire rich. Most don't care who wins. A dangerous combination of greed and incompetence. Biased ? No. Have you ever heard a Koinange street girl who refused to take in a client because of tribe ? Religion ? Political affiliation ? Trouble is at the secretariat. These guys run IEBC. NASA made some grave allegations against the Director of voter registration. IEBC didn't bother to respond. But when you look at the drama surrounding the register, you can tell where the problem is. Ask yourself even if you are not an IT expert. In every database, you have the main identifier. E.g Adm No. in a high school or university, Reg no for a motor vehicle registry. This number cannot be shared. It is also defined in such a way that if it has 6 characters, all alpha-numeric, an entry that fails that condition cannot be accepted. IEBC are holding the most sensitive of databases in Kenya. Its their only job for the last four years. The primary key identifier is the ID number. In Kenya all ID numbers have either 7 or 8 characters. And here we are with 3-digit, 4-digit, 5-digit identity cards. We have over 300,000 double registrations. ID No.12345678 belongs to a young guy in Nandi born in 1990. India published online their 800M list of voters. Nigeria, Ghana, Uganda did the same. It is a legal requirement. But IEBC wamekaa ngumu. NASA bought a copy for 20K and the number of issues coming up are unbelievable. This should be for someone born in late 1960's. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Amores wrote:Liv wrote:mkenyan wrote:Liv wrote:mkenyan wrote:
think you started you post on the premise that justice odunga was the sole cause of 'all there', then realized they were three judges (and only one with an o name for that matter) so you had to change to a 5 judges bench. a 5 judges bench would have at best for iebc only meant that 3 out of 5 judges held the same way as of now.
What are you trying to say here? That you could read my mind and thought process or what? Why don't you hold your peace if you've nothing of value to say? was politely saying that your reasoning lacked the first six letters.
You are wrong.... And your assumptions were incorrect. You put your reasoning here including all the letters. @liv,siku mingi.uko poa lakini?
@Amores, long time indeed.... 4.5 years later... lol
Niko poa... I hope you are too.
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FRM2011 wrote:Nandwa wrote:Niko na swali;
What exactly is RAO's position on the impartiality of IEBC as currently consituted!
Here in Wazua, apart from @FRM2011, the usual RAO supporters, the dyed in the wool ODMers are not hidding their disdain for Chebukati and Co!! You know Chebukati and the other commissioners joined IEBC the other day. And their only interest is influencing the tenders, collect their cut and retire rich. Most don't care who wins. A dangerous combination of greed and incompetence. Biased ? No. Have you ever heard a Koinange street girl who refused to take in a client because of tribe ? Religion ? Political affiliation ? Trouble is at the secretariat. These guys run IEBC. NASA made some grave allegations against the Director of voter registration. IEBC didn't bother to respond. But when you look at the drama surrounding the register, you can tell where the problem is. Ask yourself even if you are not an IT expert. In every database, you have the main identifier. E.g Adm No. in a high school or university, Reg no for a motor vehicle registry. This number cannot be shared. It is also defined in such a way that if it has 6 characters, all alpha-numeric, an entry that fails that condition cannot be accepted. IEBC are holding the most sensitive of databases in Kenya. Its their only job for the last four years. The primary key identifier is the ID number. In Kenya all ID numbers have either 7 or 8 characters. And here we are with 3-digit, 4-digit, 5-digit identity cards. We have over 300,000 double registrations. ID No.12345678 belongs to a young guy in Nandi born in 1990. India published online their 800M list of voters. Nigeria, Ghana, Uganda did the same. It is a legal requirement. But IEBC wamekaa ngumu. NASA bought a copy for 20K and the number of issues coming up are unbelievable. @FRM2011, Whoever wins this election should give you that kawater job . Any employer would be very proud to have an employee with your kind of passion. Anyway by 8/8/2017 we need all issues raised by NASA sorted out especially through the court process.
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